1 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:01,189 [Music] 2 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:44,380 foreign 3 00:00:44,390 --> 00:01:06,530 [Music] 4 00:01:10,789 --> 00:01:08,750 everyone I want to thank you all for 5 00:01:12,710 --> 00:01:10,799 sticking around and anyone new for 6 00:01:14,570 --> 00:01:12,720 coming in hi 7 00:01:17,929 --> 00:01:14,580 um tonight my guest is Ronald Murphy 8 00:01:20,390 --> 00:01:17,939 otherwise known as the Cryptid Guru and 9 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:20,400 let's just get into it and say hi to 10 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:21,360 Ryan 11 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:24,000 hello there how is how is everybody 12 00:01:29,710 --> 00:01:27,060 doing this Friday evening in the the 13 00:01:32,570 --> 00:01:29,720 middle of winter 14 00:01:34,969 --> 00:01:32,580 I'm good I'm tired and cold but I'm good 15 00:01:36,590 --> 00:01:34,979 how are you uh you know what I'm a 16 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:36,600 little I'm a little cold to tell you the 17 00:01:41,410 --> 00:01:38,640 truth but because I knew I was coming on 18 00:01:44,569 --> 00:01:41,420 here with you all kind of weariness 19 00:01:47,210 --> 00:01:44,579 lethargy goes away I'm ready to rock and 20 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:47,220 or roll tonight 21 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:51,060 oh I am excited to talk to you so here's 22 00:01:55,730 --> 00:01:53,040 my first question because I was looking 23 00:01:57,469 --> 00:01:55,740 through Amazon randomly and I stumbled 24 00:02:01,429 --> 00:01:57,479 upon one of your books 25 00:02:02,749 --> 00:02:01,439 and so I was reading the blurb and it 26 00:02:05,510 --> 00:02:02,759 said that you 27 00:02:08,210 --> 00:02:05,520 were searching along the kanama river if 28 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:08,220 I'm correct and there's possibly goblins 29 00:02:13,010 --> 00:02:10,440 or at least Goblin lore 30 00:02:14,650 --> 00:02:13,020 that's right that's right so along the 31 00:02:18,229 --> 00:02:14,660 Colorado River I grew up in Blairsville 32 00:02:19,970 --> 00:02:18,239 and along the the conoma river 33 00:02:22,330 --> 00:02:19,980 um there used to be uh you know Indian 34 00:02:24,530 --> 00:02:22,340 Villages along there because any any 35 00:02:26,570 --> 00:02:24,540 hunter-gatherer Society usually tends to 36 00:02:29,270 --> 00:02:26,580 be riparian you know get close to a 37 00:02:30,770 --> 00:02:29,280 river not only for for water and for 38 00:02:33,410 --> 00:02:30,780 fishing but also for navigational 39 00:02:36,350 --> 00:02:33,420 purposes but what's so interesting in my 40 00:02:39,170 --> 00:02:36,360 hometown that I grew up with as nature 41 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:39,180 finally starts reclaiming areas that 42 00:02:44,930 --> 00:02:41,940 once held factories and once you know 43 00:02:47,330 --> 00:02:44,940 spewed pollution into the conoma as 44 00:02:51,050 --> 00:02:47,340 nature returns and everything comes back 45 00:02:53,809 --> 00:02:51,060 to the status quo as it were 46 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:53,819 um all traces of men has now started to 47 00:02:58,729 --> 00:02:56,220 vanish to the point now that we get bold 48 00:03:01,610 --> 00:02:58,739 Eagles uh the water has repaired itself 49 00:03:03,470 --> 00:03:01,620 now to where uh otters are starting to 50 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:03,480 be reintroduced 51 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:05,280 um we get a lot of different kind of 52 00:03:12,530 --> 00:03:08,760 wading birds and ducks and with all this 53 00:03:15,530 --> 00:03:12,540 newfound wildlife returning to its you 54 00:03:17,869 --> 00:03:15,540 know it's it's its native habitat people 55 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:17,879 have started to erect little fairy 56 00:03:24,110 --> 00:03:20,340 houses along the kanama river as well 57 00:03:26,449 --> 00:03:24,120 too so the idea that fairies these 58 00:03:28,670 --> 00:03:26,459 little nature Spirits are part of our 59 00:03:30,350 --> 00:03:28,680 world that we have forgotten there's 60 00:03:32,750 --> 00:03:30,360 these little gentle reminders that's 61 00:03:34,430 --> 00:03:32,760 coming on now to show us that you know 62 00:03:36,770 --> 00:03:34,440 maybe there is still a little bit of 63 00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:36,780 magic left in this world 64 00:03:41,289 --> 00:03:38,700 it's whimsical but I think it's also 65 00:03:44,990 --> 00:03:41,299 very poignant at the same time 66 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:45,000 have you come across any Tales of you 67 00:03:52,729 --> 00:03:47,760 know Encounters of fairies or goblins 68 00:03:54,649 --> 00:03:52,739 between well absolutely yeah yeah so 69 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:54,659 the next book that I'm going to have 70 00:03:58,970 --> 00:03:56,220 coming out is going to be called I think 71 00:04:00,649 --> 00:03:58,980 it's technically titled um uh uh Earth 72 00:04:02,089 --> 00:04:00,659 lights but it deals with spook lights 73 00:04:03,649 --> 00:04:02,099 and these are kind of 74 00:04:06,530 --> 00:04:03,659 um otherworldly lights that people have 75 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:06,540 been witnessing for thousands of years 76 00:04:10,789 --> 00:04:08,459 um but it was along the konama river 77 00:04:12,830 --> 00:04:10,799 very close to the Conemaugh river that I 78 00:04:15,830 --> 00:04:12,840 first had an encounter with an earth 79 00:04:18,289 --> 00:04:15,840 light now what is so interesting is that 80 00:04:20,449 --> 00:04:18,299 people can talk about these things and 81 00:04:21,770 --> 00:04:20,459 say this is my experience this is what 82 00:04:25,129 --> 00:04:21,780 happened to me 83 00:04:29,210 --> 00:04:25,139 but uh I was actually filming uh with uh 84 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:29,220 Seth Breedlove uh for um uh uh the ridge 85 00:04:33,670 --> 00:04:31,740 uh Sasquatch uncovered the ridge which 86 00:04:36,290 --> 00:04:33,680 was filmed in the Chestnut Ridge area 87 00:04:37,909 --> 00:04:36,300 and uh we were out one evening doing 88 00:04:40,370 --> 00:04:37,919 investigation there was a there's a 89 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:40,380 group of us probably far too many and if 90 00:04:44,510 --> 00:04:42,660 you would look at this on YouTube where 91 00:04:47,450 --> 00:04:44,520 you can access all this information for 92 00:04:49,670 --> 00:04:47,460 free uh you know most of the comments 93 00:04:51,710 --> 00:04:49,680 revolved around the criticism as there 94 00:04:53,689 --> 00:04:51,720 were too many people out there but again 95 00:04:55,850 --> 00:04:53,699 whenever you film anything for 96 00:04:57,950 --> 00:04:55,860 entertainment purposes you have to get 97 00:04:59,990 --> 00:04:57,960 as much activity in or nobody would 98 00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:00,000 watch it so we had a group out there 99 00:05:05,030 --> 00:05:02,880 that was hooping and hollering and tree 100 00:05:07,249 --> 00:05:05,040 knocking and all this kind of stuff that 101 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:07,259 investigators do on Research 102 00:05:11,330 --> 00:05:09,360 investigations but we were all doing at 103 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:11,340 the same time simply to award it for the 104 00:05:16,610 --> 00:05:14,160 time that we were allowed and um nothing 105 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:16,620 happened for hours 106 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:19,860 um until we start hearing this howl uh 107 00:05:25,490 --> 00:05:22,860 which would be typical of a Bigfoot 108 00:05:27,050 --> 00:05:25,500 sound that you know that would be uh be 109 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:27,060 heard by you know investigators 110 00:05:30,529 --> 00:05:29,039 something that was reported 111 00:05:32,330 --> 00:05:30,539 um and then after that things started to 112 00:05:33,890 --> 00:05:32,340 get very very weird 113 00:05:36,890 --> 00:05:33,900 um we knew there was something out there 114 00:05:39,710 --> 00:05:36,900 and so we as teams we started to 115 00:05:42,590 --> 00:05:39,720 separate and go our separate ways 116 00:05:44,689 --> 00:05:42,600 and um I was at this place where we were 117 00:05:46,670 --> 00:05:44,699 using for not to sound too uh overly 118 00:05:49,430 --> 00:05:46,680 dramatic at a place called you know our 119 00:05:51,770 --> 00:05:49,440 base camp as it were and I had a 120 00:05:53,090 --> 00:05:51,780 walkie-talkie on me and I see these 121 00:05:54,290 --> 00:05:53,100 three lights moving through the woods 122 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:54,300 and I just assumed that it was somebody 123 00:05:58,790 --> 00:05:56,639 with either flashlights or their cell 124 00:06:01,730 --> 00:05:58,800 phones out until these three lights 125 00:06:04,390 --> 00:06:01,740 start rising and they go up into the 126 00:06:06,409 --> 00:06:04,400 trees about 20 or 30 feet high so 127 00:06:09,170 --> 00:06:06,419 automatically we know that something's 128 00:06:10,969 --> 00:06:09,180 going on so I radioed the other group 129 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:10,979 and I said there's something going on 130 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:14,160 out here and what was so unusual was 131 00:06:18,650 --> 00:06:16,320 they were seeing this as well too but 132 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:18,660 from a different perspective and it was 133 00:06:23,450 --> 00:06:20,880 also videotaped and this is a very very 134 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:23,460 rare thing that hardly ever happens so 135 00:06:28,189 --> 00:06:25,979 it was almost as if everybody that was 136 00:06:30,529 --> 00:06:28,199 there was having a different experience 137 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:30,539 with these lights uh one of the lights 138 00:06:36,110 --> 00:06:32,880 about the size of an orange basketball 139 00:06:39,650 --> 00:06:36,120 actually approached one of our our group 140 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:39,660 and um you know it confronted him almost 141 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:41,880 within like six or seven feet he said he 142 00:06:45,710 --> 00:06:43,440 was so close that he could reach out and 143 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:45,720 touch it and whenever he called out to 144 00:06:48,590 --> 00:06:47,280 an advantage he has something very very 145 00:06:53,749 --> 00:06:48,600 similar to that 146 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:53,759 so if you were on a um a ghost hunt you 147 00:06:58,730 --> 00:06:56,160 would call them so you know if you were 148 00:07:01,010 --> 00:06:58,740 on a UFO investigation you would call 149 00:07:02,510 --> 00:07:01,020 them you know unidentified you know 150 00:07:04,790 --> 00:07:02,520 aerial phenomenal whatever you would 151 00:07:06,409 --> 00:07:04,800 want to call them but if you were in a 152 00:07:09,070 --> 00:07:06,419 religious area this could also be a 153 00:07:11,870 --> 00:07:09,080 religious experience what was going on 154 00:07:14,450 --> 00:07:11,880 was so out of the ordinary from an 155 00:07:16,430 --> 00:07:14,460 investigation standpoint I really don't 156 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:16,440 know how to make any kind of sense of it 157 00:07:21,770 --> 00:07:19,500 but not only was it an area where there 158 00:07:23,450 --> 00:07:21,780 was a lot of Bigfoot activity again in 159 00:07:28,610 --> 00:07:23,460 the Chestnut Ridge quite close to the 160 00:07:30,350 --> 00:07:28,620 conoma river and um it just shows that 161 00:07:31,969 --> 00:07:30,360 when we talk whenever I like to talk 162 00:07:34,969 --> 00:07:31,979 about the phase and fairings and things 163 00:07:36,409 --> 00:07:34,979 of that nature if we were in England you 164 00:07:38,510 --> 00:07:36,419 know or if we were in the British Isles 165 00:07:40,610 --> 00:07:38,520 these lights that we could be seen could 166 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:40,620 be identified as the will of the Wisp 167 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:42,840 something to lead straight you know 168 00:07:49,490 --> 00:07:46,080 Travelers off of uh off of the road so 169 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:49,500 whatever was going on was unique to us 170 00:07:54,469 --> 00:07:52,560 but it was a part of the tradition that 171 00:07:57,170 --> 00:07:54,479 is thousands of years old and I was 172 00:07:59,570 --> 00:07:57,180 really kind of overwhelmed to be part of 173 00:08:02,029 --> 00:07:59,580 it and I was glad that I was uh glad to 174 00:08:03,469 --> 00:08:02,039 be a part of it as well too so again if 175 00:08:05,870 --> 00:08:03,479 you would look want to look at this this 176 00:08:07,969 --> 00:08:05,880 is from small town Monsters uh Seth 177 00:08:10,370 --> 00:08:07,979 breedlove's company uh it's on YouTube 178 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:10,380 it's under Sasquatch uncovered The Ridge 179 00:08:16,309 --> 00:08:12,960 and this is episode two called the 180 00:08:20,930 --> 00:08:18,290 I'll have to definitely check that out 181 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:20,940 that sounds very interesting yeah it was 182 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:22,860 very very interesting but so whatever I 183 00:08:26,869 --> 00:08:24,720 say about fairies and goblins and all 184 00:08:28,969 --> 00:08:26,879 that stuff I kind of group it together 185 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:28,979 in what will be called like the goblin 186 00:08:36,589 --> 00:08:32,520 Universe this kind of strange almost 187 00:08:39,709 --> 00:08:36,599 peripheral type of existence that seems 188 00:08:41,690 --> 00:08:39,719 to overlap our existence in some way so 189 00:08:44,750 --> 00:08:41,700 when we talk about interdimensionality 190 00:08:47,329 --> 00:08:44,760 in portals and things these would be the 191 00:08:52,930 --> 00:08:47,339 residents that would live within that 192 00:08:59,150 --> 00:08:56,509 so and I know that Laurel Mountain where 193 00:09:01,490 --> 00:08:59,160 I grew up is part of the Chestnut Ridge 194 00:09:04,070 --> 00:09:01,500 absolutely so 195 00:09:06,230 --> 00:09:04,080 on on the mountain like when I was 196 00:09:08,509 --> 00:09:06,240 little I would roam the mountain there 197 00:09:10,730 --> 00:09:08,519 was my mom called it a fairy tree it was 198 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:10,740 it was a stump it was like an old Rod 199 00:09:15,829 --> 00:09:12,420 stump but it had like very pretty 200 00:09:17,810 --> 00:09:15,839 mushrooms on it it had Moss it was I 201 00:09:18,829 --> 00:09:17,820 mean it was beautiful for where it was 202 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:18,839 at 203 00:09:23,449 --> 00:09:21,240 and she was like you type thing you 204 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:23,459 don't destroy anything here or else the 205 00:09:28,850 --> 00:09:25,860 fairies will come after you 206 00:09:30,769 --> 00:09:28,860 and I was like okay so I stayed away 207 00:09:32,690 --> 00:09:30,779 from it I never saw anything but there 208 00:09:34,610 --> 00:09:32,700 was just that you could feel something 209 00:09:37,070 --> 00:09:34,620 like that presence like you knew you 210 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:37,080 weren't alone in that space right and I 211 00:09:40,130 --> 00:09:38,880 think that these are all good points and 212 00:09:41,710 --> 00:09:40,140 I think the dad whenever we talked about 213 00:09:44,690 --> 00:09:41,720 the Chestnut Ridge at the very beginning 214 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:44,700 I think that this all kind of Works hand 215 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:48,000 in hand there is a sacredness to Nature 216 00:09:52,610 --> 00:09:49,500 and I think that anybody that spends any 217 00:09:55,430 --> 00:09:52,620 time out in nature will agree 218 00:09:58,730 --> 00:09:55,440 um it it has a different vibration and a 219 00:10:01,850 --> 00:09:58,740 different Rhythm than we have now we as 220 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:01,860 humankind we as you know Humanity have 221 00:10:05,690 --> 00:10:03,360 stepped out of that vibrational 222 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:05,700 frequency and we have chosen 223 00:10:12,829 --> 00:10:10,260 collectively to be um separate from the 224 00:10:15,350 --> 00:10:12,839 natural world for whatever reasons and I 225 00:10:16,190 --> 00:10:15,360 think that when we enter into this kind 226 00:10:24,050 --> 00:10:16,200 of 227 00:10:27,290 --> 00:10:24,060 themes with ideas maybe even with 228 00:10:29,810 --> 00:10:27,300 entities that give us pause and also 229 00:10:33,710 --> 00:10:29,820 requires a sense of reverence 230 00:10:36,290 --> 00:10:33,720 um you know for for for Millennia these 231 00:10:38,930 --> 00:10:36,300 areas have been known to be inhabited by 232 00:10:41,269 --> 00:10:38,940 Spirits sometimes even by the gods 233 00:10:43,550 --> 00:10:41,279 themselves and like the tree that you 234 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:43,560 talk about I've heard them called fairy 235 00:10:48,530 --> 00:10:46,140 trees I've also heard them called Shaman 236 00:10:51,110 --> 00:10:48,540 trees so it depends upon which tradition 237 00:10:53,630 --> 00:10:51,120 that you're looking at but again it's 238 00:10:56,210 --> 00:10:53,640 the idea that there is something innate 239 00:10:59,509 --> 00:10:56,220 within that tree some sort of spirit 240 00:11:02,389 --> 00:10:59,519 within that wood itself that must give 241 00:11:04,370 --> 00:11:02,399 us some sort of pause and requires some 242 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:04,380 sort of respect from us and maybe not 243 00:11:10,310 --> 00:11:06,720 even respected maybe even interaction as 244 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:12,350 right and I agree because like I said 245 00:11:17,449 --> 00:11:14,880 you you would feel that it was basically 246 00:11:18,889 --> 00:11:17,459 there was something there like obviously 247 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:18,899 the woods are alive but you would feel 248 00:11:23,329 --> 00:11:20,640 that there was something watching you 249 00:11:25,009 --> 00:11:23,339 almost and everywhere you go on Laurel 250 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:25,019 Mountain you would have that feeling 251 00:11:29,329 --> 00:11:27,420 like you were being watched at least 252 00:11:32,090 --> 00:11:29,339 there's a child running through and I I 253 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:32,100 was totally alone like this was the 90s 254 00:11:36,590 --> 00:11:34,260 my my grandmother and my mother pushed 255 00:11:38,269 --> 00:11:36,600 me out the door to go play you know I 256 00:11:40,250 --> 00:11:38,279 was totally alone but you just you had 257 00:11:42,170 --> 00:11:40,260 that feeling of being watched in the 258 00:11:44,449 --> 00:11:42,180 forest well 259 00:11:47,449 --> 00:11:44,459 um one of the experiences that I had as 260 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:47,459 a dad was up on Laurel Mountain and uh 261 00:11:51,530 --> 00:11:49,260 very near where the bog is do you know 262 00:11:52,970 --> 00:11:51,540 where the bog is at up at the very top I 263 00:11:56,389 --> 00:11:52,980 think it's called the spruce blog okay 264 00:11:59,269 --> 00:11:56,399 so um we lived in Derry which is right 265 00:12:00,829 --> 00:11:59,279 over the the mountain basically and um I 266 00:12:02,090 --> 00:12:00,839 would like to take my kids up there and 267 00:12:04,670 --> 00:12:02,100 they were in strollers at the time 268 00:12:06,829 --> 00:12:04,680 except for my oldest son was not but the 269 00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:06,839 other two were and we would go up there 270 00:12:09,949 --> 00:12:08,880 and just simply walk around because I 271 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:09,959 think it's better than sitting them in 272 00:12:15,230 --> 00:12:12,240 front of a town television but as we 273 00:12:17,090 --> 00:12:15,240 were heading up there one summer there 274 00:12:19,490 --> 00:12:17,100 was a bit of a rain shower as we were 275 00:12:21,949 --> 00:12:19,500 going up there and when we get up there 276 00:12:23,870 --> 00:12:21,959 the rain had stopped but there was a 277 00:12:25,850 --> 00:12:23,880 thick blanket of fog that was covering 278 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:25,860 the area but we thought it was going to 279 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:27,839 burn off in the afternoon so we decided 280 00:12:32,449 --> 00:12:30,720 to walk down to the bog and as we were 281 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:32,459 walking 282 00:12:38,750 --> 00:12:36,300 um I got a sense that I shouldn't be 283 00:12:42,230 --> 00:12:38,760 there now I think that it requires you 284 00:12:44,990 --> 00:12:42,240 to almost be a parent uh to have this 285 00:12:47,150 --> 00:12:45,000 kind of sense it was like I have an 286 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:47,160 offspring out here that I need to 287 00:12:52,190 --> 00:12:49,279 protect and there's something out here 288 00:12:54,889 --> 00:12:52,200 that I probably should get my kids away 289 00:12:56,389 --> 00:12:54,899 from so it was almost like that fighter 290 00:12:58,250 --> 00:12:56,399 fight response it was something very 291 00:13:00,829 --> 00:12:58,260 innate and it was also something that 292 00:13:02,509 --> 00:13:00,839 was very Primal that I don't think that 293 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:02,519 we would come across these kind of 294 00:13:07,250 --> 00:13:05,040 feelings every day it required us to be 295 00:13:09,769 --> 00:13:07,260 in a certain situation but whatever was 296 00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:09,779 going on out there I knew that I had to 297 00:13:14,629 --> 00:13:12,000 get my kid kids out of the situation 298 00:13:16,610 --> 00:13:14,639 so after about a quarter of a mile walk 299 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:16,620 I decided that it was time to turn 300 00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:19,980 around and uh my uh my my then wife was 301 00:13:23,930 --> 00:13:22,800 with me as well too and um she's not 302 00:13:26,090 --> 00:13:23,940 into the Paranormal or anything like 303 00:13:28,670 --> 00:13:26,100 that but she said to me she said I think 304 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:28,680 there's something out there and indeed I 305 00:13:32,150 --> 00:13:30,300 mean I was feeling the exact same thing 306 00:13:34,610 --> 00:13:32,160 so we decided that we were going to get 307 00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:34,620 out of here as quickly as possible uh 308 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:36,660 now my son who was I think about five 309 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:39,120 years old at the time uh he was the only 310 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:41,220 one of our kids that was walking 311 00:13:45,769 --> 00:13:44,160 um he was absent-mindedly throwing rocks 312 00:13:47,629 --> 00:13:45,779 into the fog 313 00:13:48,889 --> 00:13:47,639 um after a few minutes I started to get 314 00:13:49,970 --> 00:13:48,899 on my nerves and I asked him to stop 315 00:13:51,410 --> 00:13:49,980 because it was you know give me the 316 00:13:52,730 --> 00:13:51,420 creeps and everything 317 00:13:54,129 --> 00:13:52,740 um and I really wanted to hear if I 318 00:13:57,769 --> 00:13:54,139 could hear anything out there as well 319 00:13:59,389 --> 00:13:57,779 and again the rock thrown again and I 320 00:14:01,370 --> 00:13:59,399 turned back I said Donovan you have to 321 00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:01,380 quit throwing rocks and he reaches down 322 00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:02,880 to his feet and picks up a stone he said 323 00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:05,040 something threw this at me so whatever 324 00:14:11,210 --> 00:14:08,639 was out there was obviously escorting us 325 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:11,220 the entire way in and they were 326 00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:14,160 following us back out as well and maybe 327 00:14:18,590 --> 00:14:16,320 that last Little Rock was something to 328 00:14:20,030 --> 00:14:18,600 tell us to get completely out there and 329 00:14:22,850 --> 00:14:20,040 when we go back to the parking area 330 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:22,860 there's no other car there but ours so 331 00:14:27,650 --> 00:14:25,500 that all happened up on the place where 332 00:14:30,110 --> 00:14:27,660 you live and so many strange things 333 00:14:32,690 --> 00:14:30,120 happen up there not only with Bigfoot 334 00:14:34,670 --> 00:14:32,700 but you know not you know recently there 335 00:14:35,690 --> 00:14:34,680 have been dog man encounters up there as 336 00:14:37,790 --> 00:14:35,700 well 337 00:14:40,430 --> 00:14:37,800 um strange lights you know UFO activity 338 00:14:43,310 --> 00:14:40,440 so it seems as if you and I are in the 339 00:14:47,210 --> 00:14:43,320 perfect place for a perfect storm for 340 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:49,069 see I didn't know about the dog men 341 00:14:54,829 --> 00:14:52,800 being up there at all yeah well um to be 342 00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:54,839 you know if you want to tell us about 343 00:15:00,290 --> 00:14:58,079 that yeah it's a Ligonier so not very 344 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:00,300 far right so it's still still within the 345 00:15:06,829 --> 00:15:02,820 foothills of the uh the Chestnut Ridge 346 00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:06,839 but yeah you know in the the reports 347 00:15:11,629 --> 00:15:09,600 that I get of dogmen are not nearly as 348 00:15:13,250 --> 00:15:11,639 dramatic as things that are coming out 349 00:15:15,769 --> 00:15:13,260 of like the Land Between the Lakes or 350 00:15:19,310 --> 00:15:15,779 anything but people in a Ligonier have 351 00:15:21,490 --> 00:15:19,320 reported seeing something standing in 352 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:21,500 the Woodline just 353 00:15:25,850 --> 00:15:24,000 basically evaluating them just looking 354 00:15:28,550 --> 00:15:25,860 at them and this has happened probably 355 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:28,560 in about five or six uh instances that 356 00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,260 I've had yeah that just something very 357 00:15:35,689 --> 00:15:33,839 candid uh looking is sitting there 358 00:15:38,810 --> 00:15:35,699 looking at people and you know it's it's 359 00:15:40,850 --> 00:15:38,820 it's it's you know it's it's it's it's 360 00:15:43,069 --> 00:15:40,860 terrifying if you think about it because 361 00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:43,079 I think that we are programmed to look 362 00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:45,839 at wolves as something that are 363 00:15:49,370 --> 00:15:47,519 predatory they hunt in packs they're 364 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:49,380 intelligent and then we throw in the 365 00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:51,420 whole idea of the werewolf as well too 366 00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:54,959 and it makes for a Cryptid that is 367 00:16:01,310 --> 00:15:56,160 Thoroughly 368 00:16:07,730 --> 00:16:04,910 yeah no I agree and so I the other 369 00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:07,740 experience I had on Laurel Mountain was 370 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:10,800 we lived in this house and I had saw a 371 00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:11,760 hat man 372 00:16:16,670 --> 00:16:14,160 at the one house we lived in and this 373 00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:16,680 was further up towards the entrance of 374 00:16:23,810 --> 00:16:19,620 Laurel Mountain and I didn't know what 375 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:23,820 man was until years later but it always 376 00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:27,180 and what do you think would draw things 377 00:16:31,850 --> 00:16:30,180 like that to that area to the general or 378 00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,860 Laurel Mountain in general 379 00:16:36,650 --> 00:16:34,079 because that that still bothers me like 380 00:16:40,670 --> 00:16:36,660 why that spot or just why that house 381 00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,249 well you know what before we uh went 382 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:45,360 live you told a little story about your 383 00:16:49,850 --> 00:16:47,820 son seeing something so why don't you 384 00:16:51,769 --> 00:16:49,860 relate that story about what your son 385 00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:51,779 had seen because I want to tell you a 386 00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:54,480 story about what my son had seen and 387 00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,360 this was on um uh uh the Chestnut Ridge 388 00:17:01,970 --> 00:16:59,519 as well too in a place where my father 389 00:17:03,889 --> 00:17:01,980 roamed so tell that story and then I'll 390 00:17:08,449 --> 00:17:03,899 piggyback on your story and then we'll 391 00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:11,030 okay so the which one the newer one the 392 00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:14,459 boogeyman one the one about the little 393 00:17:19,390 --> 00:17:17,520 girl or the the the fire 394 00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:19,400 the little girl 395 00:17:25,490 --> 00:17:23,280 yeah so in my son's room he he kept 396 00:17:28,850 --> 00:17:25,500 saying that he saw a little girl who was 397 00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:28,860 on fire and he didn't like her because 398 00:17:32,330 --> 00:17:30,840 she would play with his trucks she 399 00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:32,340 didn't do anything else she wasn't meant 400 00:17:35,450 --> 00:17:34,080 to him she just she played with his toys 401 00:17:37,370 --> 00:17:35,460 played with his trucks and he didn't 402 00:17:39,289 --> 00:17:37,380 want her and there he didn't like her I 403 00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,299 said okay so we we end up cleansing the 404 00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:41,360 house and he hasn't seen her since but 405 00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,400 it started when the covered door the one 406 00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:46,799 closet door fell off and like we were 407 00:17:51,049 --> 00:17:48,480 like we have to get this other door off 408 00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,059 but we didn't you know we just let it 409 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,039 there it wasn't bothering anything but 410 00:18:00,190 --> 00:17:55,919 suddenly she had appeared he said once 411 00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:00,200 that door had fallen off so well yeah 412 00:18:10,730 --> 00:18:07,850 mice was when he started seeing her he's 413 00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:10,740 about four so okay yeah that's about the 414 00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:13,200 same time of my son yeah 415 00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:16,080 so my son was very close to my father 416 00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:17,760 um and my father this was not an old 417 00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:20,220 house he built this house by hand 418 00:18:25,370 --> 00:18:22,860 himself up on the dairy Ridge which is 419 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:25,380 the Chestnut Ridge and 420 00:18:30,350 --> 00:18:27,840 um so my son would often stay with my 421 00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:30,360 dad he had his own room there and one 422 00:18:34,610 --> 00:18:32,160 day uh he comes out of his room 423 00:18:37,730 --> 00:18:34,620 screaming one night I should say and he 424 00:18:41,450 --> 00:18:37,740 said that out of the closet came a 425 00:18:43,730 --> 00:18:41,460 person that was covered in blood and it 426 00:18:45,890 --> 00:18:43,740 looked to be that he came out of a coal 427 00:18:48,890 --> 00:18:45,900 mine because he was dirty and he had a 428 00:18:50,570 --> 00:18:48,900 hard hat on so I said to my dad I said 429 00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:50,580 so what do you make of this and he said 430 00:18:54,770 --> 00:18:52,620 well come with me for a second we went 431 00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:54,780 around to the side of his house and he 432 00:18:59,210 --> 00:18:56,700 showed me this little opening that was 433 00:19:01,549 --> 00:18:59,220 in the in the in the ground that was 434 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:01,559 part of the subsidence that was going on 435 00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:04,620 of a mine that actually ran underneath 436 00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:07,679 his house so I think that we what we 437 00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:10,260 have here is we have a lot of coal 438 00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:11,820 mining communities around here like you 439 00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,860 said earlier that you lived in Old coal 440 00:19:18,049 --> 00:19:15,840 mining town right now 441 00:19:20,090 --> 00:19:18,059 what often would happen is they would 442 00:19:21,890 --> 00:19:20,100 bring a lot of immigrants over they 443 00:19:24,890 --> 00:19:21,900 would throw houses up very very quickly 444 00:19:27,169 --> 00:19:24,900 and very cheaply and unfortunately there 445 00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,179 was a lot of fires there were a lot of 446 00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:29,039 there were a lot of you know my 447 00:19:34,669 --> 00:19:31,500 grandfather died in a mine accident so 448 00:19:37,010 --> 00:19:34,679 the idea of living in a mining town and 449 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,020 people that were miners this was prone 450 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:39,360 to accidents this was prone to fires 451 00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:42,240 also think about disease and I think 452 00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:44,280 what's going on is we're getting 453 00:19:49,549 --> 00:19:46,740 residual playbacks within the 454 00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:49,559 environment of itself of tragedies that 455 00:19:56,210 --> 00:19:51,780 happened 100 years ago 200 years ago 456 00:19:57,409 --> 00:19:56,220 even in association with these Minds 457 00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,419 foreign 458 00:20:01,570 --> 00:19:59,760 and I believe that because we have um I 459 00:20:03,950 --> 00:20:01,580 think railroad ties in their basement 460 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,960 from the 461 00:20:08,029 --> 00:20:06,480 from like I guess the coal mine or 462 00:20:10,130 --> 00:20:08,039 something related to but I mean this 463 00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:10,140 house is that old because it was a 464 00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,260 company house sure and that's again so 465 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:16,080 yeah they own you basically you know the 466 00:20:20,570 --> 00:20:17,760 talk about you were an indentured 467 00:20:22,370 --> 00:20:20,580 servant you know your whole life was 468 00:20:25,330 --> 00:20:22,380 dedicated to this company and you could 469 00:20:28,370 --> 00:20:25,340 not eat or even live or clothe yourself 470 00:20:30,529 --> 00:20:28,380 unless you sold yourself to The Company 471 00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:30,539 Store so think about what these poor 472 00:20:35,090 --> 00:20:32,820 people had to go through and whenever I 473 00:20:37,370 --> 00:20:35,100 hear these stories of about a child 474 00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:37,380 playing with another child's toys a 475 00:20:41,930 --> 00:20:39,660 ghostly child that makes perfect sense 476 00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:41,940 for some child that's never seen a toy 477 00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:44,760 in its entire life you know and all of a 478 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:48,000 sudden uh manifest within this world and 479 00:20:57,650 --> 00:20:50,460 tries to interact in a way that is 480 00:21:01,789 --> 00:20:59,270 Justin I said 481 00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:01,799 you live here does she live here you 482 00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:03,960 know is this her house he said no she 483 00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:06,900 came from up the street and I just 484 00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:09,059 looked at him and my boyfriend just 485 00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,160 looked at him and I'm like does she come 486 00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,200 visit yeah she comes visit but she 487 00:21:19,010 --> 00:21:16,080 touches my toys and I don't like it it's 488 00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:19,020 that the only thing she does yes I'm 489 00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:22,020 like okay well that's not too bad of all 490 00:21:27,409 --> 00:21:23,160 the things I know that could happen 491 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:27,419 that's not too bad right well yeah I was 492 00:21:36,770 --> 00:21:34,669 I think we're having stream yard issues 493 00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:36,780 today because we both turned off our 494 00:21:40,430 --> 00:21:38,820 computers and we logged back in but 495 00:21:42,529 --> 00:21:40,440 we're still having a little bit of a lag 496 00:21:44,810 --> 00:21:42,539 here on both of us so we'll make it 497 00:21:47,870 --> 00:21:44,820 through this no problems you know but uh 498 00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:47,880 I was living in a house okay at the at 499 00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:50,220 the base of the Chestnut Ridge in Derry 500 00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,780 and 501 00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:54,240 um there was um it was it was it was an 502 00:21:59,330 --> 00:21:56,760 older house it was nice but but all of a 503 00:22:01,310 --> 00:21:59,340 sudden strange things start happening 504 00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:01,320 um I didn't notice anything whatsoever 505 00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:04,620 until my daughter who was probably about 506 00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:07,980 11 years old at the time said that in 507 00:22:14,450 --> 00:22:10,740 her room appeared a man who was wearing 508 00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:14,460 a hat going back to what you said okay 509 00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:17,940 strange off-putting but it got to the 510 00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:22,740 point where she was so persistent and so 511 00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:25,760 almost traumatized by seeing this figure 512 00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,440 she asked if she could possibly move in 513 00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:30,480 with her grandmother now her grandmother 514 00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:31,980 lived right up the street so it wasn't 515 00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:34,440 anything big but um we allowed her you 516 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,120 know to go up to her grandmother's and 517 00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,400 and stay for a while because something 518 00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:40,640 about this new house that we moved into 519 00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:45,780 was not agreeing with her okay so my my 520 00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:48,120 wife at the time who was you know was up 521 00:22:51,049 --> 00:22:49,740 on the ridge with me as well too same 522 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,059 person 523 00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:52,799 um she was downstairs on the couch 524 00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,159 watching TV and she said that she saw a 525 00:23:02,029 --> 00:22:59,280 figure coming down the steps and look 526 00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:02,039 around the corner and look in at her and 527 00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:05,700 it too was one of these ethereal hat men 528 00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:09,000 as well too so at this point What's So 529 00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:11,220 Scary About This is that this is the 530 00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:13,559 point that I was writing my book 531 00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:16,140 entitled on ghosts this is whenever I 532 00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:19,140 was writing my first Endeavor at at 533 00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:21,720 looking into the archetypes and the 534 00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:23,340 making the connections on a historical 535 00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:25,860 perspective from ghosts and haunting so 536 00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:27,299 it was kind of unusual all this stuff 537 00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:28,980 was going on 538 00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:32,460 and um I was outside writing my book on 539 00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:35,100 ghosts whenever it was fall my kids were 540 00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:36,179 outside were playing with the 541 00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,580 neighborhood kids and they were running 542 00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:40,799 circles around the house as kids would 543 00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:43,140 mindlessly do and I was trying to get my 544 00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:45,000 work done and one of the little neighbor 545 00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:47,820 boys saw that I was writing and he would 546 00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:50,220 Circle the house and then he made eye 547 00:23:55,250 --> 00:23:52,620 contact with me again and then it came 548 00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:55,260 back around and then he walks up onto my 549 00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:58,860 porch and sits down beside me and you 550 00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,140 know I'm still typing away and he looks 551 00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:04,080 at me and he says your house is haunted 552 00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:07,260 and now this was a little a little 553 00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:09,480 frightening to me because not only again 554 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:11,880 was I writing about ghosts but we were 555 00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:13,620 having this experiences within the home 556 00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:15,539 as well too and of course we didn't tell 557 00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:17,820 any of our neighbors but so now this 558 00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:20,039 little boy comes up and he says to me 559 00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:23,280 your house is haunted and I said how do 560 00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:25,260 you know that now remember they lived 561 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,179 directly across the street and he said 562 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:29,520 at night before I go to bed I look out 563 00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:31,980 my window and I can see them in your 564 00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,200 yard I don't see a little scary there 565 00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,000 right so 566 00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:39,000 um after that period of time yeah start 567 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:41,640 becoming a little bit more severe uh my 568 00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:44,760 car was parked in my driveway and my 569 00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:48,659 back window of my car smashed from the 570 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:51,900 outside from the inside out you know I 571 00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,860 had to call the police and everything 572 00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:55,200 like that it was it was it got to the 573 00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:57,179 point that so many things were going 574 00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,700 wrong with the house that we thought it 575 00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:01,679 was either vandalism or there was 576 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,140 something like the overwhelming smell of 577 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,480 gas causes to have the fire department 578 00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:08,520 out there about once a week and there 579 00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:10,140 was no sign of gas in the house 580 00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:12,360 whatsoever but it was these smells and 581 00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,740 these odors that were laying around I 582 00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:15,960 thought well this is making a wick of 583 00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:18,900 sense so I'm going to have to uh to get 584 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:20,520 a psychic in here because I have no idea 585 00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,260 what else to do so 586 00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:24,960 I contacted the psychic and she came in 587 00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,480 and she looked around the place and she 588 00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:29,520 said um I feel that there are two 589 00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:31,020 Spirits here 590 00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:33,779 and the spirit that is causing all the 591 00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:37,559 problems is actually the good one and it 592 00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:39,779 wants you out of the house so the bad 593 00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,299 one doesn't come for you that's a little 594 00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:43,919 scary right there right that kind of 595 00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,260 Revelation so needless to say we did 596 00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:47,760 move out of the house this is a house we 597 00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:49,500 called our own you know you know we've 598 00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:51,059 been there for about three years the 599 00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,919 kids had made friends the kids were 600 00:25:58,370 --> 00:25:54,240 going to school 601 00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,380 everything was good socially been 602 00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:00,659 internally within the house everything 603 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:02,520 was falling apart 604 00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:04,740 um this was the time whenever my 605 00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,120 marriage would actually fall apart 606 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:08,880 completely uh that led up to the divorce 607 00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,620 and a lot of people don't understand 608 00:26:15,230 --> 00:26:12,840 that so a lot of things people watch on 609 00:26:18,130 --> 00:26:15,240 television about people going out with 610 00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:18,140 with with tape recorders and the the 611 00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:20,279 camcorders that make your eyes look like 612 00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:23,100 they're green and EVPs and all this 613 00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:25,140 other kind of stuff that's all fine and 614 00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:28,559 dandy but whenever it comes to a very 615 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:30,299 real haunting 616 00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,140 it can be traumatic you know now I I've 617 00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:36,960 investigated a lot of hauntings about 90 618 00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,679 of all hauntings actually are very 619 00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:43,080 um life-affirming in some way there's 620 00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:45,240 there's a message to be conveyed people 621 00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:47,940 feel that they are comforted by the 622 00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,320 knowledge that their loved ones are 623 00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:51,659 still around them so very rarely are 624 00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:55,260 they terrifying but what can go on on 625 00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:57,659 the flip side of that can be something 626 00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:00,659 that can truly rip your life apart and I 627 00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:02,460 think that what we have here you know 628 00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,380 the idea of the Hat man that you've seen 629 00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,480 the Hat man that I've seen my daughter 630 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:08,760 has seen my ex-wife had seen 631 00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,640 it is indeed part of a tradition right 632 00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,679 these don't come out of nowhere and 633 00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,840 people were still seeing these things as 634 00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,580 of this day 635 00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:19,200 um we could talk about the possibility 636 00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:21,480 of these being shadow people you know 637 00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:24,900 and something that is uh you know a 638 00:27:30,409 --> 00:27:28,260 ghost but maybe not of a of a human you 639 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:30,419 know some sort of disembodied Spirit of 640 00:27:34,370 --> 00:27:32,700 something some people like to to throw 641 00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,380 around the word demon but I don't 642 00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:37,200 necessarily go that far but there are 643 00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:39,059 more things out there when we talk about 644 00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:42,539 ghosts than just you know the idea of a 645 00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:45,299 full-bodied Apparition or a wrap at the 646 00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:47,940 door or something like that ghosts and 647 00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:50,840 hauntings as a multi-layered 648 00:27:57,529 --> 00:27:54,059 multi-faceted field which is almost 649 00:28:00,049 --> 00:27:57,539 impossible to categorize in any way that 650 00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:00,059 makes any sense of it uh especially if 651 00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,559 you're looking from the inside out if 652 00:28:06,649 --> 00:28:03,600 you're involved in this stuff none of it 653 00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:09,950 no no it doesn't and I was a child when 654 00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:12,539 that happened I mean I woke up and there 655 00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,659 was this man like it the house came like 656 00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:17,279 I didn't have my own bed it was built in 657 00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:19,140 bunk beds the house came with so that 658 00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:21,720 was my room I woke up and there was this 659 00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:24,539 man in a hat and like I could he was 660 00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:26,700 totally black like his face I I could 661 00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,860 make out of his mouth but he was just 662 00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:31,200 black and it's closer but everything and 663 00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:33,059 he was just like leaning like that like 664 00:28:38,269 --> 00:28:35,159 on his arm looking in 665 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:38,279 and I I started and I went to scream and 666 00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,900 I got this sense like that's your 667 00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:41,039 grandfather 668 00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:43,860 I'm like oh and I I leaned back and then 669 00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:45,779 I got something like wait a minute no 670 00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:48,799 it's not and I just passed out 671 00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:51,900 and it just bothered me because like 672 00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:54,900 that gut feeling like no it wasn't 673 00:28:58,430 --> 00:28:56,520 you know because when I got that gut 674 00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:58,440 feeling that no it wasn't I looked he 675 00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,080 had this smile on his face and it was it 676 00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:04,320 was terrifying I mean I'm 38 and I still 677 00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:08,460 remember Clara's day so yeah no I know 678 00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:11,400 exactly what you're talking about 679 00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:13,380 that's right that's right 680 00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,620 um now and and this is not seen as uh 681 00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:18,659 something like a gift right this is 682 00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,039 something that's terrifying because some 683 00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:22,559 people will have um you know full-bodied 684 00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:24,600 apparitions that come to them and it 685 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:26,520 seems as if they're almost gifted this 686 00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:28,860 experience so they could go on with 687 00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:31,020 their own life what you have experienced 688 00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:32,700 will have I've experienced is something 689 00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:35,760 that causes trauma you know this is not 690 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,000 a gifted situation this is almost an 691 00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:41,520 invasion of our reality by something 692 00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:49,190 yeah and the other thing like the in the 693 00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:51,059 same house like my that nothing happened 694 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,679 to my grandmother nothing happened to my 695 00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,720 mom my mom had some friends over and 696 00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:55,919 they they came and they were looking 697 00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:57,299 around the house you know because it was 698 00:30:02,210 --> 00:30:00,419 a new place and I I said like I was very 699 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:02,220 Adam like this place is haunted they 700 00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,380 were standing in my room and it was a 701 00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:06,720 one story like if you stood outside my 702 00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:08,220 bedroom window you could look right in 703 00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:11,100 okay you didn't have to be very tall and 704 00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:13,620 like this place is hot and my mom's like 705 00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:15,480 no it's not easy to stop you can just 706 00:30:20,269 --> 00:30:18,779 tell people that and her friends laughed 707 00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:20,279 and then suddenly there was a man 708 00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:21,659 laughing 709 00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:24,480 and it sounds like it also sounded like 710 00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:26,220 it came from behind them 711 00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,740 and they turned so pale and they just 712 00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:30,899 they left they left and they just never 713 00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:34,080 spoke to my mom again and it you know 714 00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:35,940 she was even just like 715 00:30:39,649 --> 00:30:38,039 and she didn't want to talk about it she 716 00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,659 was terrified herself she didn't want to 717 00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:41,279 talk about it 718 00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:45,000 right yeah it is like inside of it it 719 00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,539 does change you too it does it does it 720 00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:50,460 makes you I think have more of a respect 721 00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,740 for things out there as well too 722 00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:54,240 um you know there are things out there 723 00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:56,100 that we simply do not know or maybe not 724 00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,539 even maybe not even possibly to 725 00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,240 comprehend either but but you know from 726 00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,399 all the things I've experienced 727 00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:05,279 you know the things that work in the 728 00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:09,000 darkness and the Shadows are very real I 729 00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:11,159 mean even if they're not tangible and 730 00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:13,260 even if you we cannot categorize them by 731 00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:16,140 science that does not mean that what we 732 00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:17,940 are seeing and what we are interacting 733 00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:20,700 with and what we are experiencing is not 734 00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,299 extremely real to us right and I think 735 00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:26,159 that's a hard thing that's why these 736 00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:28,740 shows are so important whatever we come 737 00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:30,419 on shows or when we have any kind of 738 00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,240 discussions and this kind of open Forum 739 00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,799 especially when we have guests listening 740 00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,960 in as well too and interacting with us 741 00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:39,000 with comments 742 00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:41,820 we need to have an open Forum because 743 00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:43,559 people are experiencing these things 744 00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:46,860 that nobody else wants to talk about and 745 00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:49,320 oftentimes people feel very alone that 746 00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:51,419 this is only happening to me that this 747 00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:52,919 is a unique situation that it's 748 00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,260 something that I've done and this is a 749 00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:57,840 very cathartic Forum by which we can 750 00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:00,539 gather together in a very caring and 751 00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:02,940 understanding way and really talk about 752 00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,179 the things that we have had experiences 753 00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:08,580 with and kind of share our experiences 754 00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:11,220 and hopefully maybe get to the bottom of 755 00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,289 that is very well said I I totally agree 756 00:32:23,049 --> 00:32:20,940 because with all my experiences I felt 757 00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:23,059 alone for years because they sound crazy 758 00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,460 they honestly do like who's who's going 759 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:28,080 to believe that and how does that happen 760 00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:30,600 to somebody but you said it perfectly I 761 00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,760 totally agree with that well you know I 762 00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,279 appreciate that so the thing is like we 763 00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:36,960 people talk about in Bigfoot you know I 764 00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:39,299 look I love the subject of Bigfoot I 765 00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,620 wouldn't be here talking with you today 766 00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:42,960 if it wasn't for bigfoot but I've never 767 00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:45,059 witnessed a Bigfoot you know I've heard 768 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,120 anecdotal things and I've I've I I've 769 00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,640 found Prince you know I've had strange 770 00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:53,360 things happen to me but I cannot say 771 00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:57,059 absolutely that I know that there is a 772 00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:59,580 Bigfoot out there there's still a a a a 773 00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:02,039 a a a a modicum of belief that's 774 00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,880 required to for me to say that sure I 775 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:07,860 believe the Bigfoot is a possibility but 776 00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:10,260 whatever it comes to ghost there's not a 777 00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,539 doubt in my mind that there are ghosts 778 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,159 out there you know I think that your 779 00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:16,320 listeners will agree as well too it's 780 00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:19,140 not a thing a sense of Faith involved 781 00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:20,399 it's not a sense of 782 00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:22,980 I think there may be ghosts out there I 783 00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,080 think you and I can undoubtedly say 784 00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:26,880 without any kind of equivocation say 785 00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,640 that there are indeed ghosts out there 786 00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,860 there's Spirits out there that we simply 787 00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:33,539 don't understand where they're coming 788 00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:35,880 from what their purpose is but they are 789 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,730 oh I completely 790 00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:45,830 and why why 791 00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:49,140 say them you know like your family you 792 00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:50,820 know you had that experience even though 793 00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:53,640 the your neighbor their child saw the 794 00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:55,559 people in the yard but you know you had 795 00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:58,260 that experience right yeah once I see 796 00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,740 the stuff I did you know it just it 797 00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:04,320 makes you wonder it really does it does 798 00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,080 but it also have a book that uh hunt 799 00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:09,440 okay 800 00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,780 I should also say um but but you know it 801 00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,879 draws us together as well too because 802 00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:17,220 whenever I was writing um my book on 803 00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,859 ghosts it also goes to show that we 804 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:21,839 really have more in common as Humanity 805 00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:24,960 than differences you know we this is all 806 00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,580 something that we share as part of the 807 00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:28,320 human race this is part of the human 808 00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:30,379 condition ghosts and all these other 809 00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:32,520 archetypal type of creatures that we're 810 00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:33,960 going to be talking about wild men and 811 00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,200 such but actually whatever we deal delve 812 00:34:41,950 --> 00:34:38,879 deeper into the study of these kind of 813 00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:41,960 creatures it shows how closely we are 814 00:34:49,690 --> 00:34:44,460 related to one another than how far 815 00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:52,129 I'm I'm gonna move and we're gonna stay 816 00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,520 on that subject but we're gonna move a 817 00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,960 little bit towards like Westmoreland 818 00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:56,159 since you have a book haunted 819 00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,980 Westmoreland how haunted is Westmoreland 820 00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,760 County 821 00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:02,880 well you know um I I had said in my book 822 00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:05,160 and I don't think that this is too far 823 00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,520 flung I I said that without Westmoreland 824 00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:11,280 County America would not be what it is 825 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:12,540 today 826 00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:15,720 um you know so after the the French and 827 00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:19,920 Indian War we start now having a an area 828 00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,140 that's being shaped by great men like 829 00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:24,540 like George Washington for instance so 830 00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,280 we talk about Westmoreland County and 831 00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,839 say about you know George Washington 832 00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:30,000 slept here well we know indeed he did 833 00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:33,000 sleep here and without his 834 00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:37,140 um his his his courage and his military 835 00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:39,900 strategy that was on display in 836 00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:42,540 Westmoreland County he would not be our 837 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,000 first president so it's out of this 838 00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:47,280 Crucible of the French and Indian war 839 00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:51,000 that we could you know a little over a 840 00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:54,180 decade later stand up to a superpower 841 00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:56,820 like Great Britain and say we're going 842 00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:59,339 to declare our independence but not only 843 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:01,740 that the still that's produced and laid 844 00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:04,800 trobe to this very day it has been a 845 00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:07,260 part of every space mission you know so 846 00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:12,060 since the 1960s so we have so much in 847 00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:15,300 this area that really has made not only 848 00:36:20,829 --> 00:36:19,079 America but has made us what we are and 849 00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:20,839 how we think about the world around us 850 00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:24,420 now that being said all of these 851 00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:27,720 achievements take place within the 852 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:30,540 context of history and within that 853 00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:33,660 history people had lived and people had 854 00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,119 died and some people had died a very 855 00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:38,880 tragic way within this context and 856 00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:41,880 sometimes ghosts are bookmarks to 857 00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,220 history and sometimes they have to 858 00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:46,079 manifest and scream out 859 00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:49,320 and say that I was alive that my life 860 00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,720 mattered and so many of these things 861 00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:53,520 that I talk about whatever involves 862 00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,520 hauntings comes back to that fact that 863 00:37:01,150 --> 00:36:58,440 there's this manifestation there's some 864 00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:01,160 sort of some some sort of 865 00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:05,160 Revelation that somebody was here and 866 00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:07,140 their life mattered and that's the 867 00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:13,370 and what would be your favorite story 868 00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,000 out of the book 869 00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:17,520 um I am a big fan of the French and 870 00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,280 Indian War so Ligonier Fort Ligonier uh 871 00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:22,079 Fort Palmer which is up the road a 872 00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:23,400 little bit 873 00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:28,079 um uh I also have um uh uh so some 874 00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:30,359 Indian battles at some of the uh other 875 00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:33,900 places like Fort Wallace and Fort Barr 876 00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:36,119 um but another uh one of my favorite 877 00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:39,060 things is how many of the churches in 878 00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:40,980 this area are haunted and you wouldn't 879 00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,599 think about haunting's relation to 880 00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:44,960 churches but Saint Vincent University 881 00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:48,119 has not only a full-bodied Apparition 882 00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:51,720 that's intelligent but one that was very 883 00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:54,780 high highly documented that it would 884 00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:58,320 actually appear on the Altar and go to 885 00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,900 the pulpit and deliver sermons and this 886 00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:03,599 happened in the 1800s so we have this 887 00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:06,359 kind of legendary ghost that was going 888 00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:10,079 up there and Saint uh uh uh or an um 889 00:38:17,810 --> 00:38:14,339 Seton Hill also has a haunted cemetery 890 00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:17,820 it has a haunted um uh buildings there 891 00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:20,940 as well too with Poltergeist activity 892 00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,400 um there's a church in Derry uh up in 893 00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:25,320 New Dairy that is said to be haunted by 894 00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:29,520 a um an was hag that has seen sometimes 895 00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:32,820 floating around among the Steeples so 896 00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:35,640 all these different stories about the 897 00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,339 you know the haunted of holy places you 898 00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:39,839 know that kind of is off-putting because 899 00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:42,180 you think that here I'll be safe uh but 900 00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:43,619 in Westmoreland County it doesn't seem 901 00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:45,720 like that's necessarily the case that 902 00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:47,640 that ghosts could even trespass on 903 00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:53,630 that's amazing I 904 00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:56,280 I've heard Saint Vincent is haunted but 905 00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:58,380 that story I've never heard 906 00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:00,780 yeah well a lot of it I've never heard 907 00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:02,760 that one is it do you know if it's still 908 00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:06,060 seen today oh sorry no no no no I'm 909 00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:08,099 sorry it's not a little bit of lag 910 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,680 um at one time you were not considered 911 00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,280 yeah at one time you were not considered 912 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,380 a full-blown Saint Vincent student 913 00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:19,200 unless you witnessed the ghostly monk 914 00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,240 but I don't think the people are seeing 915 00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:24,240 it that much today and um that's a 916 00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:27,720 commentary I think on us as well because 917 00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,260 in order to see these things you almost 918 00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:33,599 have to be like a child you have to have 919 00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:35,640 an open mind right I mean sometimes 920 00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,320 these things will be thrown and forced 921 00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:39,359 upon you but I think most of the time 922 00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:41,640 whatever deals with the Paranormal you 923 00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:43,980 have to be open for it to happen I think 924 00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,530 yeah I I know my mom attended their 925 00:40:00,370 --> 00:39:56,400 for a while and she said that there was 926 00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:00,380 a tunnel like a hot tub for me 927 00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,800 to somewhere else that was like that and 928 00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:06,480 there were nuns that you could hear 929 00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,420 walking back and forth she said that was 930 00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:10,980 a legend she heard 931 00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:14,460 well anything to it but that was what I 932 00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:17,099 heard and yeah but I like I said never 933 00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:19,260 had that one right well my daughter 934 00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,960 actually worked at St Vincent's for a 935 00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:24,000 little bit and guess what the legends of 936 00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,490 are they yeah they're real and people 937 00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:36,480 yeah people still report hearing sounds 938 00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:41,750 oh wow she said she didn't know where 939 00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:43,500 they were she said she thought that they 940 00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:45,480 led to like an old from Saint Vincent to 941 00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:47,940 an old nunnery that that was the rumor 942 00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:50,720 she told me so yeah yeah 943 00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:53,640 that's true or not yeah one of the urban 944 00:40:59,890 --> 00:40:56,760 legends was the tunnel was put there so 945 00:41:02,329 --> 00:40:59,900 the priest could visit the nuns in very 946 00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:02,339 ornery ways if you know what I'm talking 947 00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:04,500 about I think that is part of the urban 948 00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:06,060 legend building I think what had 949 00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:07,859 happened was I was trying to be delicate 950 00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:11,099 yeah exactly right but and of course so 951 00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:12,839 what happens in these urban legends is 952 00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:15,839 that a priest will get a nun pregnant 953 00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:18,359 and the nun has to dispose of the baby 954 00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,339 and now you have all these kind of 955 00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:23,520 hauntings as well too but I think for 956 00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:26,220 all practical purposes these tunnels 957 00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:28,140 were put there simply so you could 958 00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,780 service buildings without you being 959 00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:32,520 caught in the elements if it was Heavy 960 00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,140 snows because we're talking about a time 961 00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,000 before electricity and we're talking 962 00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:38,760 about a time before cars you know so to 963 00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,859 have a tunnel one place where you get 964 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:42,480 from place to place without having to 965 00:41:46,089 --> 00:41:44,220 deal with any of the elements makes 966 00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:46,099 perfect sense Torrance State Hospital 967 00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:49,619 also has tunnels there as well too and 968 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,140 we know that um oh what is the name of 969 00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,960 that College in uh Williamsburg 970 00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,520 um is it William and Mary maybe it's 971 00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,680 William and Mary but we know that they 972 00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,780 also have tunnels there as well too it 973 00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:02,400 was just yeah just a very practical 974 00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,140 thing in the 1800s to start building 975 00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:07,550 um 976 00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:09,660 that's that's very interesting to hear 977 00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,160 that that's actually true because she 978 00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:14,160 wasn't 100 sure if that was true or not 979 00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,500 and she just she told me that randomly 980 00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:18,359 and she kind of laughed it off and she's 981 00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:20,520 like I don't know if it's true or not 982 00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:22,740 and I'm like yeah so I figured I would 983 00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:24,300 bring that up and just see if that 984 00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:28,740 Legend was true but so then going 985 00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,500 outwards towards like say jennerstown 986 00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:33,119 Johnstown area 987 00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,700 obviously Jonestown had the great flood 988 00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:38,640 I'm sure that place is haunted as well 989 00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:44,150 well I know that the Johnstown Flood 990 00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:45,180 that's right so when we talk about 991 00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:47,099 Johnstown we talk about a lot of ghosts 992 00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:49,320 uh from that area 993 00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,300 um simply because there was so much loss 994 00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:54,480 of life at one time but what's so cool 995 00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:56,760 about Johnstown is there are a lot of 996 00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:58,500 Bigfoot sightings from up there as well 997 00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:00,540 too now have one that I just heard not 998 00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:03,720 too long ago so um there are always 999 00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:05,819 inevitably in these kind of small little 1000 00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:08,339 country wooded towns up on top of 1001 00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:10,500 mountains uh you always have the old 1002 00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,500 timer up there and uh somebody that you 1003 00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:15,720 know knows the land and as the story 1004 00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:18,300 goes there was this gentleman who lived 1005 00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,280 um outside of Johnstown and you know in 1006 00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,440 a cabin in the woods and this is where 1007 00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:24,720 people would bring him like the animals 1008 00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:26,099 that they would kill the pelts of the 1009 00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:28,020 animals you know for for fur trade and 1010 00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:29,700 everything but one evening this 1011 00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:31,500 gentleman was out collecting water from 1012 00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:34,500 one of the springs and down over the 1013 00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:39,060 hill comes what he called a hairy man 1014 00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:40,680 um he said it wasn't like you know 1015 00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:42,260 tripping or anything like that it 1016 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,280 descended down the hill in a very 1017 00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:46,800 upright fashion crossed the road and 1018 00:43:50,809 --> 00:43:48,839 went down over another Hill that led to 1019 00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:50,819 the konama river 1020 00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:53,819 um it didn't it it was aware that the 1021 00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:55,500 gentleman was there Gathering spring 1022 00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:58,260 water but it didn't make any kind of 1023 00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:00,780 motion towards him or anything it was 1024 00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,780 basically going on its way now this guy 1025 00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:06,300 you know was was in his 80s you know he 1026 00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:07,740 knew the woods like the back of his hand 1027 00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,200 but he did not know the word Bigfoot so 1028 00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:12,720 he simply called it a hairy man but 1029 00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:14,520 after that day he never went back into 1030 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,920 the woods again and it wasn't again like 1031 00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:18,720 I said there was no confrontation there 1032 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,200 there was no kind of animosity there it 1033 00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:23,760 was simply that he was dealing with 1034 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:25,160 something that he's never seen before 1035 00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:28,740 and the way that he reacted to it was 1036 00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,380 with you know disbelief but to the point 1037 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:33,359 that and that he would no longer go back 1038 00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,170 it's kind of like your brain has trouble 1039 00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:41,520 processing it you know when you see 1040 00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:42,839 something like 1041 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:44,940 that right yeah because it does make it 1042 00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:46,260 it's just like I'm just not going to go 1043 00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,660 in there I'm just gonna 1044 00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,460 yeah that's right yeah that's right it's 1045 00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,740 kind of like it's kind of like I know 1046 00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:55,680 there's dog and I'm sorry 1047 00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,400 okay yeah exactly 1048 00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:01,920 I I know there's dogmen as well in 1049 00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:04,800 Johnstown in the Wilmore area as well 1050 00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,760 have you heard that I I have 1051 00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:10,560 um I want to hear your story then I'll 1052 00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,180 add a story to it so tell me about the 1053 00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,520 dog man that uh you know about 1054 00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:16,800 okay 1055 00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,220 so we Lon had sent us out to look into 1056 00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:22,740 this case where somebody had you know 1057 00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:25,140 been basically tracked by a dog man 1058 00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:28,020 while fishing and my boyfriend he's 1059 00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:30,839 navigating 1060 00:45:35,089 --> 00:45:33,420 I I can tell Bear Tracks I can tell deer 1061 00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:35,099 tracks that's all I can tell 1062 00:45:40,030 --> 00:45:37,859 so it was it was very quiet there like 1063 00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:40,040 you didn't hear birds you didn't hear 1064 00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,500 but she's in here it's very weird so we 1065 00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,079 we were walking and we came up on these 1066 00:45:50,569 --> 00:45:48,900 tracks he didn't know what they were 1067 00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:50,579 like he was he got down on the ground 1068 00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,859 he's like talking to himself like like 1069 00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:54,540 he's trying to figure out what they are 1070 00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:56,220 and I'm just standing there like I'm I'm 1071 00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:58,260 useless standing there because I don't 1072 00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:00,599 know what they are and now the corner of 1073 00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:03,599 my eye out of my left side it was like I 1074 00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,339 could feel something watching me and 1075 00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:07,760 then I saw like wings 1076 00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:10,680 and do you know how when somebody runs 1077 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,619 on you you can feel them right up on you 1078 00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:16,560 um I felt I felt like somebody running 1079 00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,819 at me and if I didn't scream sad was 1080 00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,440 going to happen 1081 00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,960 and I screamed so loud that he almost 1082 00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,880 pulled his gun because he he had a gun 1083 00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,319 with him that day because we were in the 1084 00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,200 middle of the woods and I I screamed I 1085 00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:33,359 and he's like what are you screaming for 1086 00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,460 I'm like and there was nothing there and 1087 00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:37,200 I'm like I don't know I'm like something 1088 00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:39,660 was running at me I could I could hear 1089 00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:41,880 it I could feel it 1090 00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:43,980 and there was nothing there 1091 00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:47,160 wow wow it was just 1092 00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:50,220 it was gut it was a gut 1093 00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:52,380 feeling like there was something bad 1094 00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,060 that was going to happen if I did not 1095 00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:56,040 scream in that moment 1096 00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,440 and I I don't tend to get that scared 1097 00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:00,780 but it was yeah 1098 00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:03,480 yeah he went back there with the witness 1099 00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:05,339 and when he went back there with the 1100 00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:06,599 witness 1101 00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,859 sorry 1102 00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:09,720 that it was it was a totally different 1103 00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:11,880 place there were Birds there were bugs 1104 00:47:17,650 --> 00:47:14,819 it was perfect there was nothing wrong 1105 00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:20,270 yeah your feeling that you had was 1106 00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,140 almost the same thing that I had up on 1107 00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:24,720 the ridge with my kids that I don't know 1108 00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,819 how to put it into words but you 1109 00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:28,740 instinctually felt something in you it's 1110 00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:32,400 almost primordial it's like we as human 1111 00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:34,920 beings have this within us but it takes 1112 00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,640 something very un unusual to spark that 1113 00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,560 within us so I do know what you felt I 1114 00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:42,000 truly do 1115 00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:44,760 um but the the stories that I have 1116 00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:46,740 about dogmen 1117 00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:48,839 um are from like the Robinson area which 1118 00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:51,060 is not very far from there but it's like 1119 00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:52,640 basically on the other side of the Hill 1120 00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:56,060 whenever a lady was witnessing 1121 00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:59,520 bipedal canines walking down the street 1122 00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:01,500 now we're talking about very small towns 1123 00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:04,140 here about 200 people walking down the 1124 00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:05,940 street being seen under 1125 00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,280 um illuminated underneath the uh the 1126 00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:10,800 street lights going up to one of these 1127 00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:12,420 little 7-Elevens one of these little 1128 00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:15,480 shops there in town and bending over at 1129 00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:17,460 the waist in order to get into a 1130 00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,560 dumpster to feed out of a dumpster so 1131 00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,400 we're talking about a very large 1132 00:48:24,109 --> 00:48:21,839 creature 1133 00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:24,119 um so I went up there to see if I could 1134 00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:26,460 find any kind of plausibility about this 1135 00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,060 and um there was a hill and going up the 1136 00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:32,700 hill there was a cave which was really 1137 00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:35,160 strange and from that vantage point you 1138 00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,599 can see the whole town laid out 1139 00:48:41,809 --> 00:48:39,119 underneath underneath you and what's so 1140 00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:41,819 unusual about that area that that Hill 1141 00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:45,900 is called pack Hill p-a-c-k so we're 1142 00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,700 dealing with a wolf pack here what's 1143 00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,400 going on here but even the name of the 1144 00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:53,520 place uh seems to elude that there was 1145 00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:56,400 something Canad about the area so again 1146 00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,560 I never I've never seen a dog man 1147 00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:00,960 creature but people are out there 1148 00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:02,819 singing it and not only are there people 1149 00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:05,099 out there seeing it it seems in some 1150 00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:08,040 instances they're the the idea that 1151 00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:10,560 these things are there is even recorded 1152 00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:13,380 within the the place names of of certain 1153 00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:19,010 that's very interesting and you didn't 1154 00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:22,200 find did you go into the cave or well 1155 00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:23,819 I'll tell you what some of the other 1156 00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:25,619 researchers that I had 1157 00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:27,300 yeah now some of the other researchers 1158 00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:29,099 that was with me did go into the cave 1159 00:49:34,849 --> 00:49:31,800 but I am I have a couple fears one of my 1160 00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:34,859 fears is I'm extremely claustrophobic uh 1161 00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:36,900 and the other fear that I have is uh 1162 00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,480 being ripped apart by a dog man so I did 1163 00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,800 not go in 1164 00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:42,000 yeah 1165 00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:44,579 well that that's fair enough because I 1166 00:49:49,569 --> 00:49:46,260 was going to say did you find any dog 1167 00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:49,579 man or any traces in the cave 1168 00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:53,099 yeah I want them to find my body in 1169 00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:00,050 right no that's fair enough that's 1170 00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:02,700 totally fair enough so and we're gonna 1171 00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:04,980 we're gonna just change it one more time 1172 00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:06,540 so 1173 00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:09,480 last I'm gonna say last step of course 1174 00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:10,680 it was a little more than that workout 1175 00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:13,740 you were talking about aquatic Cryptids 1176 00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,200 yes you want to tell us some stories 1177 00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:18,660 about that's like mermaids I am a big 1178 00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:20,040 fan of mermaids so if you have any 1179 00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,560 mermaid stories I'm all about those 1180 00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,200 well absolutely you know what and I love 1181 00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:28,079 mermaids as well too uh and uh my 1182 00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:31,380 daughter who watched um H2O I don't know 1183 00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:33,000 if you've ever seen it it's an 1184 00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,640 Australian show about these girls that 1185 00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:38,160 turn into mermaids really really cool 1186 00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:40,859 show she binge watched it one summer 1187 00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,220 about five times through and she came up 1188 00:50:48,829 --> 00:50:46,079 to me when she was about you know five 1189 00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:48,839 six years old and she said Hey Dad I 1190 00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:50,579 know you write about Bigfoot and all 1191 00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:54,000 that kind of crap but do you think that 1192 00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:55,740 there are mermaids out there and I said 1193 00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:57,720 you know I never thought about this but 1194 00:51:01,730 --> 00:51:00,180 let me put some research into it and 1195 00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:01,740 after a couple days research I thought 1196 00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:04,859 this is absolutely fascinating and I 1197 00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:06,540 decided to write a book on it so I wrote 1198 00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:09,180 a book on mermaids tracing the 1199 00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,300 historical impact of these creatures 1200 00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:14,880 throughout history and not only were 1201 00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:16,980 they known in ancient Greek in Roman 1202 00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:18,059 times 1203 00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,280 um but you know they still captured our 1204 00:51:24,010 --> 00:51:22,079 imagination to the point that they're 1205 00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,020 seen even into this day 1206 00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:26,579 places where they're seeing is like 1207 00:51:32,750 --> 00:51:29,839 Africa where within the last 20 years 1208 00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:32,760 they had to call in what we would call 1209 00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,220 Witch Doctors but Shaman they had to 1210 00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:37,200 call them into the area because the 1211 00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:40,020 construction crew uh reported they were 1212 00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:42,660 being attacked by mermaids that were 1213 00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:44,700 coming up out of the water and trying to 1214 00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:46,859 impede their process on building this 1215 00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:49,920 Dam so some cultures around the world 1216 00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:53,480 are very open to the idea of mermaids 1217 00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:56,880 Africa being one of these cultures 1218 00:52:02,510 --> 00:51:59,819 um Australia as well too uh Indonesia 1219 00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:02,520 places like that have them but also in 1220 00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:05,160 these areas are things like dugons which 1221 00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:07,980 kind of look like 1222 00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:10,440 um a mermaid if you were out at sea for 1223 00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:12,780 five years and you had nothing to drink 1224 00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,900 but rum you know so they have a basic 1225 00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:18,240 kind of female shape to them but nothing 1226 00:52:24,190 --> 00:52:19,859 that I would write home about you know 1227 00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:24,200 but um people are seeing them and um 1228 00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:27,960 are Lucid people and one of the most 1229 00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:29,700 curious 1230 00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,359 um uh uh mermaid reports was by 1231 00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:35,520 Christopher Columbus as he was making 1232 00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:38,579 his way to the new world he reported 1233 00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:41,220 witnessing mermaids and the one little 1234 00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:43,800 critique that he had is they were not as 1235 00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:46,680 beautiful as they were reported to be so 1236 00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:49,020 he had seen something out there whether 1237 00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:51,420 he had seen a manatee or or something 1238 00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:53,880 along those lines but he had definitely 1239 00:52:59,690 --> 00:52:57,599 seen one and not only did he see one but 1240 00:53:03,410 --> 00:52:59,700 it was so part of the vernacular the 1241 00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:03,420 imagination in the late 15th century 1242 00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:05,700 that he could report it without worrying 1243 00:53:14,329 --> 00:53:12,349 yeah unlike today if you would tell 1244 00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:14,339 someone today you would see a mermaid 1245 00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:15,960 they would kind of look at you funny 1246 00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:18,960 well yes yeah you're full of it I mean 1247 00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:21,240 right right and some lady came up to me 1248 00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:24,599 at a conference and she was very 1249 00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,180 um uh there's some trepidation and 1250 00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:29,940 wanting to tell me this story uh but she 1251 00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:32,819 said that she believes that when she was 1252 00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:36,000 vacationing in Reno Nevada she not only 1253 00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:39,660 saw a mermaid but she heard a mermaid 1254 00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,040 siren song in a man-made lake as if 1255 00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:46,920 somehow it materialized there as if 1256 00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,359 somehow the very element of water Drew 1257 00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,800 this creature there or possibly even 1258 00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,839 created this creature 1259 00:53:57,770 --> 00:53:56,880 um but yeah again like I said even in 1260 00:53:59,930 --> 00:53:57,780 America 1261 00:54:03,410 --> 00:53:59,940 people are still witnessing these things 1262 00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:03,420 and people ask me do I believe 1263 00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:08,450 no go ahead 1264 00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:10,200 oh I was going to say people to this day 1265 00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:11,940 ask me if they believe in if I believe 1266 00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:15,000 in mermaids and I said I do believe in 1267 00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,380 mermaids because they're so part of our 1268 00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:18,960 culture I bet you bought your coffee 1269 00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:27,589 that's a good one I mean I I tend to 1270 00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,260 think that as big as the ocean is as 1271 00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,359 deep as the ocean is there has to be 1272 00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:35,160 more to it I mean there's so much we 1273 00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,380 haven't explored there has to be more 1274 00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:40,079 down there than you know what we know so 1275 00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:42,839 why not why can't mermaids still exist 1276 00:54:48,770 --> 00:54:45,180 or exist at all that's right that's 1277 00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,780 right yeah so I I had heard 1278 00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,920 okay 1279 00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:51,839 yeah I don't know what's going on with 1280 00:54:56,809 --> 00:54:55,020 streaming over each other yeah no no 1281 00:54:59,210 --> 00:54:56,819 um so um the thing I want to say about 1282 00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,220 mermaids though is uh or the ocean is 1283 00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:00,960 that we really know more about the moon 1284 00:55:06,049 --> 00:55:03,420 than we do know about the ocean uh about 1285 00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:06,059 82 percent of the ocean you know 82 that 1286 00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:07,859 seems kind of weird but that's like the 1287 00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:09,780 the round the figure that they put on it 1288 00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:12,960 is really um unknown and whenever you 1289 00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:14,760 think about you know all this great 1290 00:55:20,569 --> 00:55:18,300 vastness out there you know ships use 1291 00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:20,579 highways in the ocean right they're just 1292 00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:22,680 not going willy-nilly so whenever you 1293 00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:25,740 see any kind of sea traffic they're on a 1294 00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:28,559 designated route so that means that if 1295 00:55:33,290 --> 00:55:30,300 you would move away from that route 1296 00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:33,300 there is nothing out there for thousands 1297 00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:35,940 of miles you know it's very easy to 1298 00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:38,819 escape human beings on in the water a 1299 00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,579 lot easier than escaping them on land so 1300 00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:44,160 you have all this expanse of of the 1301 00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:46,440 ocean around you and not only distance 1302 00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:49,260 but you also have you know in columns 1303 00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:51,480 you know so it's really a diversified 1304 00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:55,140 place where things like mermaids could 1305 00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:58,260 easily exist and never be seen by human 1306 00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,490 right and I think it I I don't want to 1307 00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:06,000 misquote somebody but I think it was 1308 00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,579 Tobias Wayland to post it that there was 1309 00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:11,280 a mermaid sighting in Lake Michigan if 1310 00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,380 I'm not mistaken it was oh no I would 1311 00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:15,180 love to hear this yeah I've never heard 1312 00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:17,579 that I've never heard that yeah 1313 00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:19,980 yeah I'll have to find the article and 1314 00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:23,579 send it to you but I yeah I do because I 1315 00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:30,650 oh thanks Vincent yeah I I addressed 1316 00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:33,300 like gosh I was so excited 1317 00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:35,940 because it's like just coming to the 1318 00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,160 channel if it's true 1319 00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,559 and it's just there 1320 00:56:44,349 --> 00:56:42,720 right right because it was it was a 1321 00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:44,359 single mermaid from what I remember 1322 00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:49,319 right so how do we look at this so if 1323 00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,000 you we would go back to the time you 1324 00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:53,760 know we go back to the 17th century 1325 00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:55,260 um there was a gentleman by the name of 1326 00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:58,020 paracelsus who was 1327 00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,020 um really kind of like the first 1328 00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:04,079 um Talk salt toxologists out there uh he 1329 00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:06,599 studied minerals he gave the word zinc 1330 00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:09,420 its name like he was no joke like his 1331 00:57:14,089 --> 00:57:11,640 findings and his beliefs and his 1332 00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:14,099 theories are still practiced in medical 1333 00:57:20,569 --> 00:57:16,980 school to this very day but he believed 1334 00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:20,579 that in order to deal with disease in 1335 00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,800 order to deal with the natural world you 1336 00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:25,140 have to understand what is behind that 1337 00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:29,099 so he as he maintained that everything 1338 00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:32,940 in nature is imbued with a spirit and so 1339 00:57:38,089 --> 00:57:35,460 you would have the silphs which is kind 1340 00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:38,099 of like this Airy nature Spirit which is 1341 00:57:43,549 --> 00:57:40,440 very similar to what we would call 1342 00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,559 um called fairies but the the water that 1343 00:57:48,410 --> 00:57:45,839 was the domain of the undynes and that's 1344 00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:48,420 where the idea of the mermaid would come 1345 00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:51,599 from in the outcome the alchemical uh 1346 00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:54,300 philosophy so he believed that what the 1347 00:57:59,630 --> 00:57:56,660 mermaid was actually was a 1348 00:58:02,510 --> 00:57:59,640 personification of representation of the 1349 00:58:04,910 --> 00:58:02,520 intelligence is which exist in the world 1350 00:58:06,589 --> 00:58:04,920 around us in the element of water I 1351 00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:06,599 think it's a very beautiful thing to 1352 00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,000 think about as well in order for us to 1353 00:58:14,510 --> 00:58:11,760 get out of any kind of disease which is 1354 00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:14,520 not being at ease is to come in 1355 00:58:20,210 --> 00:58:18,480 communion with and in vibration with the 1356 00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:20,220 elements around us very beautiful I 1357 00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:27,710 agree yes and what other besides 1358 00:58:31,609 --> 00:58:30,960 mermaids what other Cryptids lurk in the 1359 00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:31,619 Deep 1360 00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,980 oh my goodness so we will talk about the 1361 00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:36,720 Great Lakes quickly 1362 00:58:45,470 --> 00:58:41,270 yeah that's right there's been a report 1363 00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,480 of a plesiosaur being uh uh witnessed up 1364 00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,240 in Lake Erie of all places 1365 00:58:53,089 --> 00:58:49,920 um you know a shark attack in Lake 1366 00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,099 Michigan in 1955. 1367 00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:55,740 um we have the water Panther which is a 1368 00:59:02,750 --> 00:58:59,040 very very cool encrypted said to live in 1369 00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:02,760 the waters of uh Lake Superior and um 1370 00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:04,980 this was a creature that has been 1371 00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:08,160 depicted in rock art carved by uh Native 1372 00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:10,619 Americans along the shores of Lake 1373 00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:13,140 Superior and it looks for all the world 1374 00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,140 like what a um the Cryptid of the 1375 00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:18,480 chupacabra was originally thought to be 1376 00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,700 this kind of small little rounded 1377 00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:22,559 creature with these these spines and 1378 00:59:29,569 --> 00:59:25,680 spikes on its back so whatever is going 1379 00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:29,579 on up in Lake Superior 1380 00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,880 um there has been a tradition of 1381 00:59:38,329 --> 00:59:34,799 something unusual living that than those 1382 00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:38,339 waters for at least hundreds of years if 1383 00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:40,680 not a thousand years the the thing about 1384 00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,020 Lake Superior even though it is a part 1385 00:59:48,650 --> 00:59:46,079 of these these this this chain of uh of 1386 00:59:51,970 --> 00:59:48,660 lakes that was created about 14 000 1387 00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:51,980 years ago Lake Superior wasn't completed 1388 00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:54,720 filling up to its present time present 1389 01:00:02,329 --> 00:59:58,559 uh uh volume until about a thousand uh 1390 01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,339 BC so people who were living there uh 1391 01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:03,839 would have been able to watch it 1392 01:00:09,049 --> 01:00:05,819 actually gaining all the strength which 1393 01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:09,059 leads me back to my theory that all 1394 01:00:13,789 --> 01:00:10,559 these myths that we share around the 1395 01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,799 world regarding flood narratives comes 1396 01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:15,839 from this particular period because not 1397 01:00:19,609 --> 01:00:17,160 only was it happening in North America 1398 01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,619 was happening all over the world so all 1399 01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:20,880 these different 1400 01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:22,740 um cultures around the world were 1401 01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:24,780 experiencing these kind of events at the 1402 01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:27,420 same time but um yeah I'm fascinated by 1403 01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:30,540 the by by water in and of itself and um 1404 01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:32,460 not only am I fascinated by it but I 1405 01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,920 also love the water as well too but I'm 1406 01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:36,960 also terrified by what could lurk 1407 01:00:41,650 --> 01:00:38,940 beneath the waves 1408 01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,109 see I'm not a swimmer so I'm I'm iffy 1409 01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:47,760 I'm very interested in what could lurk 1410 01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:49,319 behind you know beneath the waves like 1411 01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:51,420 the mermaids and the Plesiosaurus but 1412 01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:53,579 I'm also not wanting to go in the water 1413 01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:56,480 with them I just right from the beach 1414 01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,849 yeah so mermaids are Beautiful Creatures 1415 01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,480 but the um even though they're beautiful 1416 01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:09,180 there's still this element of danger to 1417 01:01:14,690 --> 01:01:12,059 them right so they will you know there's 1418 01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:14,700 sirens on they will call out to you and 1419 01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,299 it's so beautiful that you will 1420 01:01:22,190 --> 01:01:20,400 um avoid or or you'll forget about 1421 01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:22,200 avoiding any kind of the dangers out 1422 01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:25,500 there and cross your ship in the Rocks 1423 01:01:31,069 --> 01:01:28,500 just to get close to them and you know 1424 01:01:33,289 --> 01:01:31,079 so they're it's very allegorical as well 1425 01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:33,299 too so in the Middle Ages 1426 01:01:38,089 --> 01:01:35,160 um mermaids were seen as a 1427 01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:38,099 personification of women who would lead 1428 01:01:43,789 --> 01:01:40,740 men away from the path of righteousness 1429 01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:43,799 and I will tell you at my age I have 1430 01:01:48,589 --> 01:01:45,780 been drawn off the path of righteousness 1431 01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:48,599 a number of times by women you know that 1432 01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:51,000 just happens right guys I'm sure you'll 1433 01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:53,640 agree with me uh so all women are in and 1434 01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,520 of themselves a mermaid these Sirens 1435 01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:59,280 that if you're not careful they will 1436 01:02:04,250 --> 01:02:01,799 crash you in the Rocks but what what 1437 01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:04,260 happens then as the middle wages gives 1438 01:02:11,569 --> 01:02:07,859 into the Renaissance the mermaid now is 1439 01:02:15,049 --> 01:02:11,579 seen as a figure of redemption and she 1440 01:02:18,530 --> 01:02:15,059 is swimming in Perpetual baptism and she 1441 01:02:21,289 --> 01:02:18,540 is a figure of almost a christ-like 1442 01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:21,299 figure that is able to 1443 01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:24,540 um to be in the water and to also come 1444 01:02:28,609 --> 01:02:26,220 out you know to to have different 1445 01:02:30,829 --> 01:02:28,619 elements at her disposal at the same 1446 01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:30,839 time so the evolution of the uh of the 1447 01:02:34,970 --> 01:02:33,420 mermaid is very very fascinating but you 1448 01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,980 know that siren Call that everybody 1449 01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:36,960 wants to hear is one of those things 1450 01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,599 that amazes me in such a beautiful and 1451 01:02:43,609 --> 01:02:41,280 poetic 1452 01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,619 um uh you know allergy to these 1453 01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:46,079 creatures that uh uh one day I hope to 1454 01:02:52,690 --> 01:02:48,660 hear a siren song and it doesn't leave 1455 01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:55,730 do you do you think the siren song 1456 01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,140 besides trying to lure you in do you 1457 01:03:01,549 --> 01:03:00,000 think it's it's like that's how they 1458 01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,559 feed do you think they would feed on 1459 01:03:05,569 --> 01:03:04,079 humans in your opinion 1460 01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:05,579 because I know there's not much about 1461 01:03:09,470 --> 01:03:07,799 them out there but in your opinion like 1462 01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:09,480 because why else would they want to draw 1463 01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:11,700 people in 1464 01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,370 there people are intruding on their 1465 01:03:23,569 --> 01:03:21,119 space right 1466 01:03:26,809 --> 01:03:23,579 that might be their form of you know 1467 01:03:29,030 --> 01:03:26,819 territorialism you know that you know 1468 01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,040 they I think that all creatures not 1469 01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,960 Cryptids whatever you know we talk about 1470 01:03:35,210 --> 01:03:33,599 Bigfoot we don't talk about dogmen I 1471 01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:35,220 think that these creatures know 1472 01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:38,640 instinctually that we are a bad idea to 1473 01:03:43,010 --> 01:03:40,140 associate with 1474 01:03:44,809 --> 01:03:43,020 and I think that the way we go about in 1475 01:03:48,289 --> 01:03:44,819 you know robbing the ocean and 1476 01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:48,299 overfishing I think the mermaid is that 1477 01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:51,839 wildness it's that undomesticated woman 1478 01:03:57,309 --> 01:03:54,660 out there that is capable of taking a 1479 01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:57,319 big strong man and all of his treasures 1480 01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:01,260 and bringing it to Absolute nothing just 1481 01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:08,809 that's very unique that really is I 1482 01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:11,760 never honestly thought of that 1483 01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:12,359 um 1484 01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:15,900 so I yeah right so I do have some 1485 01:04:20,089 --> 01:04:17,220 questions for you if you're okay with 1486 01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:20,099 taking some questions absolutely I love 1487 01:04:25,549 --> 01:04:22,740 questions my favorite part of talk shows 1488 01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:28,430 so I I have a handful of them so all 1489 01:04:33,289 --> 01:04:30,359 right Thomas Carroll wants to know he 1490 01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,299 says Ron have you ever heard 1491 01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:36,000 of the ghost whistle the r r that ran 1492 01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:37,500 through the Laurel Mountain 1493 01:04:43,309 --> 01:04:40,319 no but you know what they're Thomas I've 1494 01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,319 discovered now discovered it sounds like 1495 01:04:48,589 --> 01:04:45,599 I discovered El Dorado but I actually 1496 01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,599 discovered the trail that is going over 1497 01:04:52,370 --> 01:04:50,880 the ridge with these railroad tracks and 1498 01:04:54,049 --> 01:04:52,380 it was it was really cool even though 1499 01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,059 it's on maps I still thought I was you 1500 01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:56,400 know it was like Indiana Jones uh but no 1501 01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,240 I I I've seen the tracks I know that it 1502 01:05:04,010 --> 01:05:02,400 was a Marvel in order to put those up 1503 01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:04,020 there it had to be a great engineering 1504 01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:05,760 Marvel to put them up there but 1505 01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:08,819 unfortunately in alas I have not heard 1506 01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:11,880 the ghost whistle although I would love 1507 01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:15,359 to you know I'm completely open to it 1508 01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:18,059 so I think you know what Thomas if you 1509 01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:19,740 live if you live in Western Pennsylvania 1510 01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:21,960 I told Bernadette I said what we should 1511 01:05:27,170 --> 01:05:24,420 do one of these times is we should do a 1512 01:05:28,730 --> 01:05:27,180 show live in the field you know I would 1513 01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:28,740 like to do that with Vincent as well too 1514 01:05:34,730 --> 01:05:32,160 because I like the idea of taking our 1515 01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:34,740 interest out there and then opening it 1516 01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:37,020 up to the audience as well too so maybe 1517 01:05:42,589 --> 01:05:40,140 this summer Bernadette if if all the 1518 01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:42,599 stars align quite properly maybe we'll 1519 01:05:47,569 --> 01:05:44,460 find ourselves out there on the Laurel 1520 01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:47,579 Ridge hoping to document the sound of a 1521 01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:50,339 train a ghostly train that still rides 1522 01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:57,230 I'm up for it it sounds it sounds like a 1523 01:06:00,849 --> 01:05:59,579 good time to me yes that's right that's 1524 01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:00,859 right 1525 01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:07,970 so Vincent wants to know what do you 1526 01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:10,319 think uh the Hat man is 1527 01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:11,599 yeah 1528 01:06:21,970 --> 01:06:16,799 um so you know what brother you lead the 1529 01:06:28,849 --> 01:06:26,450 well I I honestly don't know I I don't 1530 01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:28,859 think it's a demon I don't think the Hat 1531 01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:32,520 man I encountered was a demon 1532 01:06:38,930 --> 01:06:35,160 yeah I I think it was some type of 1533 01:06:41,809 --> 01:06:38,940 spirit just watching just like a watcher 1534 01:06:44,329 --> 01:06:41,819 for whatever reason because I only saw 1535 01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:44,339 it the one time now was it attached to 1536 01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:45,900 that house 1537 01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:49,140 maybe but it just it felt like watching 1538 01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:51,000 me like it was 1539 01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:53,339 it had something to do with me the way 1540 01:06:58,010 --> 01:06:55,799 it was watching so is it 1541 01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:58,020 is it one of those things where you have 1542 01:07:02,930 --> 01:07:00,780 like some some spirit being that follows 1543 01:07:06,529 --> 01:07:02,940 you through your life that watches you 1544 01:07:09,230 --> 01:07:06,539 um I I can say well yeah I don't think 1545 01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:09,240 it's a demon either but I think that 1546 01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:12,720 it's an energy that's capable of 1547 01:07:19,549 --> 01:07:16,319 looking in you and finding out what 1548 01:07:22,190 --> 01:07:19,559 scares you the most and taking on a form 1549 01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:22,200 now extraterrestrials 1550 01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:24,420 look we don't know what we're dealing 1551 01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:25,980 with when we talk about ghosts in every 1552 01:07:32,450 --> 01:07:29,220 sense I have had people send me pictures 1553 01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:32,460 from Canada and from some of the places 1554 01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:34,680 around the United States of what 1555 01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:36,059 pictures they took in a haunted house 1556 01:07:42,049 --> 01:07:39,720 where the figure of an alien gray showed 1557 01:07:44,270 --> 01:07:42,059 up so we really don't know what we're 1558 01:07:47,089 --> 01:07:44,280 dealing with we don't know if all ghosts 1559 01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:47,099 are disembodied Souls of people we don't 1560 01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:49,799 know if they are extraterrestrial or 1561 01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:52,020 possibly even Ultra pressure we don't 1562 01:07:56,210 --> 01:07:53,700 know the nature of what these things are 1563 01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,220 we just know that they are indeed out 1564 01:08:01,849 --> 01:07:58,799 there but for me for the hot man and 1565 01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:01,859 because it really transcends cultures 1566 01:08:06,109 --> 01:08:04,920 because that figure is seen throughout 1567 01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:06,119 the world 1568 01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:10,440 in my opinion it is that there is some 1569 01:08:21,229 --> 01:08:13,140 sort of negative energy that is able to 1570 01:08:25,490 --> 01:08:23,269 I tend to agree with that because my 1571 01:08:27,650 --> 01:08:25,500 grandmother who was another story on her 1572 01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:27,660 own that could have been maybe What 1573 01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,839 attracted the Hat Man to where you know 1574 01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,359 where I was in that house and that 1575 01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:35,759 vicinity but the reason I say it wasn't 1576 01:08:40,610 --> 01:08:37,259 demonic or anything because it didn't 1577 01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,620 try to hurt me it just stood over my bed 1578 01:08:45,169 --> 01:08:43,440 and stared at me so right that's the 1579 01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:45,179 only reason I give it like it's not 1580 01:08:49,490 --> 01:08:46,440 demonic 1581 01:08:53,209 --> 01:08:49,500 right but you know the idea of aliens 1582 01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:53,219 and the idea of ghosts really do share a 1583 01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:55,500 lot of commonalities as well you know 1584 01:09:00,650 --> 01:08:58,319 abductees have experienced these 1585 01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:00,660 entities kind of seeping through their 1586 01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:03,120 walls as if they were capable of going 1587 01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,000 through solid uh surfaces you know and 1588 01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,239 the idea of sleep paralysis is somebody 1589 01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:11,040 astutely commented earlier as well too 1590 01:09:15,370 --> 01:09:13,259 the idea that in the night whenever 1591 01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:15,380 you're the most vulnerable right 1592 01:09:22,610 --> 01:09:19,679 something comes to you and is able to 1593 01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:22,620 interact with you or abduct you or or 1594 01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,640 whatever 1595 01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:25,920 that is one of our greatest fears as 1596 01:09:30,289 --> 01:09:27,960 people right because we are our most 1597 01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:30,299 vulnerable when we're in bed sleeping 1598 01:09:36,349 --> 01:09:33,000 because it's that time whenever our 1599 01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:36,359 brains aren't working quite right and 1600 01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,699 um it's also very predatory as well too 1601 01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:41,040 you know we are again we have to think 1602 01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,620 back into our ancient past whenever that 1603 01:09:47,630 --> 01:09:45,120 would have been the time that that 1604 01:09:50,510 --> 01:09:47,640 things that you know have teeth would 1605 01:09:54,289 --> 01:09:50,520 want to Prey Upon Us to eat us so this 1606 01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:54,299 all comes into play and it makes for if 1607 01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:55,980 people are going through this it makes 1608 01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,510 right it's it's that Primal Fear of the 1609 01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:05,040 dark because we all whether we you know 1610 01:10:10,189 --> 01:10:08,100 we have happiness children as adults we 1611 01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:10,199 tend to grow out of it but yet if 1612 01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:12,300 something happens at night it would 1613 01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:15,000 trigger it you know it's it's still in 1614 01:10:18,890 --> 01:10:16,920 this I don't I don't think how old we 1615 01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,900 get it's it's still in us that Primal 1616 01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:21,120 Fear of the dark and it just gets 1617 01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:23,580 exacerbated I think yeah I still have 1618 01:10:29,209 --> 01:10:26,100 that fear to this day yeah I still am 1619 01:10:33,250 --> 01:10:31,370 yeah I'm not a fan of it either I'll 1620 01:10:37,630 --> 01:10:33,260 admit that I'm not a fan of it either 1621 01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:37,640 Darcy wants to know uh let's see 1622 01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:40,860 let's see it's a laminate and then can 1623 01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:44,460 you work on developing it but some just 1624 01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:46,620 I'm not sure what that was for 1625 01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:47,280 sure 1626 01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:49,020 um I I that might have been talking 1627 01:10:53,450 --> 01:10:51,000 about when we were talking about uh 1628 01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:53,460 vibrational frequencies I think in 1629 01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,900 communion with nature if I'm not 1630 01:11:00,169 --> 01:10:57,120 mistaken but no I do believe that we do 1631 01:11:03,709 --> 01:11:00,179 have within us the um I think that we 1632 01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:03,719 are all programmed to be involved in the 1633 01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,400 natural world we're supposed to be in 1634 01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,199 synchronous synchronicity with the world 1635 01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:09,420 around us but we're not but I think it 1636 01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:12,120 is I think we are born with it but we 1637 01:11:17,209 --> 01:11:14,460 tend to shed it because it doesn't make 1638 01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:17,219 it's it's not useful to us as commercial 1639 01:11:23,950 --> 01:11:19,320 humans in this world 1640 01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:27,050 Vincent wants to know what does Ron 1641 01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:33,350 uh are we talking about crossing over 1642 01:11:37,550 --> 01:11:35,100 here is that what he's talking about or 1643 01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:37,560 what is what is what is his definition I 1644 01:11:42,430 --> 01:11:38,820 think 1645 01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:42,440 about 1646 01:11:46,610 --> 01:11:44,100 yeah 1647 01:11:48,770 --> 01:11:46,620 well I will tell you this the chat and 1648 01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:48,780 double check yeah 1649 01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:50,820 well as you're checking I will tell you 1650 01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:53,640 this I've been to several haunted 1651 01:11:58,689 --> 01:11:56,520 locations uh some of them are quite 1652 01:12:02,090 --> 01:11:58,699 iconic as well 1653 01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:02,100 that tells you before you start your 1654 01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:04,620 ghost investigation that you're not 1655 01:12:11,709 --> 01:12:07,739 allowed to cross the spirits over now to 1656 01:12:14,209 --> 01:12:11,719 me that seems as almost like a form of 1657 01:12:16,729 --> 01:12:14,219 phantom slavery that you're keeping 1658 01:12:18,770 --> 01:12:16,739 things there against their will because 1659 01:12:21,229 --> 01:12:18,780 they're marketable 1660 01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:21,239 um that's a travesty if that is indeed 1661 01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:22,800 the case 1662 01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:26,820 um I think that especially when somebody 1663 01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,120 dies traumatically that they don't know 1664 01:12:33,050 --> 01:12:31,679 that they're dead you know there's no 1665 01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:33,060 reason to think that they would have 1666 01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,100 died you know somebody in their youth or 1667 01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:37,679 something that happens suddenly that you 1668 01:12:43,550 --> 01:12:40,440 can be caught in an area between two 1669 01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,560 worlds it's almost like a dream that you 1670 01:12:47,169 --> 01:12:46,320 know what you're experiencing seems to 1671 01:12:54,649 --> 01:12:47,179 be 1672 01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:54,659 doesn't make any sense you know I was a 1673 01:12:59,229 --> 01:12:57,360 young person I wasn't ready to die so 1674 01:13:02,209 --> 01:12:59,239 you're caught between worlds 1675 01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:02,219 and a proper human you know a human 1676 01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:05,760 being then can become a conduit to talk 1677 01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:08,100 to this person and reassure them that 1678 01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:10,920 it's okay to move on I desperately 1679 01:13:16,010 --> 01:13:13,620 believe in the possibility of Crossing 1680 01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:16,020 somebody over that is kind of trapped 1681 01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:18,420 here because they simply do not believe 1682 01:13:27,290 --> 01:13:21,000 it's not logical to them that they have 1683 01:13:31,610 --> 01:13:29,570 right no I agree with you and I did 1684 01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:31,620 check and that's what Vincent meant he 1685 01:13:37,070 --> 01:13:34,800 yeah that he meant crossing over so just 1686 01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,080 to clear that up 1687 01:13:42,350 --> 01:13:39,600 um Darcy also wants to know there was a 1688 01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:42,360 rumor if a water Panther 1689 01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:45,300 near the river at Stevens Point 1690 01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,460 yeah so Wisconsin again we're talking 1691 01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,199 about that wreath yeah we're talking 1692 01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:51,360 about that region up there 1693 01:13:56,090 --> 01:13:53,640 um in uh in Lake Superior there's an 1694 01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:56,100 island that was supposed to be the 1695 01:14:02,270 --> 01:13:59,040 domain of the water Panther 1696 01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:02,280 um and um as The Story Goes a group of 1697 01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:04,260 young Native American boys decided they 1698 01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:06,900 were tester their manliness and go out 1699 01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:09,360 there and they went out there they went 1700 01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,980 to the island and apparently something 1701 01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:13,679 happened they came back their hair 1702 01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:16,199 started to fall out and they eventually 1703 01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:18,540 died quite quickly over the point of of 1704 01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:20,219 a week 1705 01:14:25,209 --> 01:14:23,760 um as I was researching the story it 1706 01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,219 looks a lot like 1707 01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:27,600 radiation poisoning of some kind that's 1708 01:14:33,890 --> 01:14:30,780 what it looks to me at face value 1709 01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:33,900 um also the water Panther is supposed to 1710 01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:36,900 be able to fly and whenever it flies it 1711 01:14:44,330 --> 01:14:39,199 produces this kind of smoke and Sparks 1712 01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:44,340 so it seems a lot like some sort of uh 1713 01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:46,860 underwater UFO encounter that's going on 1714 01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:49,140 here that has somehow be taken the place 1715 01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:51,960 of the water Panther but according to 1716 01:14:58,189 --> 01:14:55,140 Native tradition uh this Panther can 1717 01:15:01,490 --> 01:14:58,199 indeed go Between Worlds the the world 1718 01:15:03,290 --> 01:15:01,500 of the water and the sky as well too and 1719 01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,300 it seems as if it produces some sort of 1720 01:15:10,010 --> 01:15:05,760 exhaust and some sort of Sparks whenever 1721 01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,020 it does fly so the water Panther could 1722 01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:12,719 be a show in and of itself uh but I will 1723 01:15:18,410 --> 01:15:15,060 just tell you this that in that kind of 1724 01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:18,420 Great Lakes Region you share a lot of 1725 01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,460 commonality in a lot of the folklore up 1726 01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:22,560 there so somebody told me there was a 1727 01:15:26,510 --> 01:15:24,840 water Panther in Wisconsin I wouldn't 1728 01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:26,520 value about an eye because you know 1729 01:15:31,550 --> 01:15:29,520 they're it's it supposedly dwells in the 1730 01:15:34,810 --> 01:15:31,560 uh the murky Waters of Lake Superior 1731 01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,209 it it sounds like so it sounds like 1732 01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:40,800 water can be a sort of a portal in the 1733 01:15:45,470 --> 01:15:43,380 way too to the underworld right because 1734 01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:45,480 you have you know the panther coming 1735 01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:47,400 through you've also had Tales of like 1736 01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,739 death on the boat being you know 1737 01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:52,320 Crossing people over there's myths of 1738 01:15:56,570 --> 01:15:54,360 that it just sounds like you know the 1739 01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:56,580 ocean or water itself could be a portal 1740 01:16:00,890 --> 01:15:59,040 to the end of world yes my dear brother 1741 01:16:03,229 --> 01:16:00,900 see this is the reason I like coming on 1742 01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:03,239 your show because you really have some 1743 01:16:09,229 --> 01:16:06,060 things up here so the idea of the water 1744 01:16:11,149 --> 01:16:09,239 to be a Gateway Between Two Worlds is 1745 01:16:14,330 --> 01:16:11,159 part of who we are this is archetypical 1746 01:16:17,450 --> 01:16:14,340 as well too uh you know the Aztecs the 1747 01:16:20,510 --> 01:16:17,460 Mayas they all have this idea as well 1748 01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,520 too as in you know the British Isles as 1749 01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:22,800 well too we think of King Arthur and the 1750 01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:25,320 Lady of the Lake the Lady of the Lake is 1751 01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,420 indeed an interdimensional character 1752 01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:29,520 that is able to bring 1753 01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:31,860 um gifts from the other side and and 1754 01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:34,800 Grant them to the hero also mermaids 1755 01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,400 fall under that category as well too so 1756 01:16:43,010 --> 01:16:40,320 and also whenever you look at hauntings 1757 01:16:46,189 --> 01:16:43,020 if you have water nearby that's also a 1758 01:16:49,370 --> 01:16:46,199 key element in producing hauntings so 1759 01:16:52,430 --> 01:16:49,380 water is kind of like the ultimate type 1760 01:16:54,770 --> 01:16:52,440 of scrying device right Within These 1761 01:16:56,930 --> 01:16:54,780 waves we can not only look into the 1762 01:16:59,810 --> 01:16:56,940 other realm but when we're looking at 1763 01:17:02,030 --> 01:16:59,820 this water as well too it also is 1764 01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:02,040 literally another dimension for us as 1765 01:17:06,010 --> 01:17:04,500 well too we as humans can't just dive in 1766 01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:06,020 and live right we have to take in 1767 01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:08,760 precautions to go into this world so 1768 01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,520 that is indeed a world in and of itself 1769 01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:13,920 so when we talk about you know multiple 1770 01:17:19,250 --> 01:17:16,560 dimensions and and portals that all 1771 01:17:21,649 --> 01:17:19,260 seems crazy but you could go to the 1772 01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:21,659 beach and look out there and see another 1773 01:17:26,930 --> 01:17:24,719 dimension you know there's life out 1774 01:17:30,770 --> 01:17:26,940 there that sometimes we interact with 1775 01:17:33,709 --> 01:17:30,780 sometimes we don't the water you know is 1776 01:17:36,169 --> 01:17:33,719 a barrier between the worlds that we can 1777 01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:36,179 actually Dive In into and step through 1778 01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:38,940 and we enter a world that's Vaguely 1779 01:17:44,689 --> 01:17:42,480 Familiar but not our own right but it's 1780 01:17:48,590 --> 01:17:44,699 on this world that we share together so 1781 01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:48,600 water is one of these magical substances 1782 01:17:53,390 --> 01:17:51,300 that's part of traditions around the 1783 01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:53,400 world not only in Magic but also in 1784 01:17:58,970 --> 01:17:55,260 religion because it's in water that we 1785 01:18:02,330 --> 01:17:58,980 baptized our sins away so water is 1786 01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:02,340 indeed a magical element to us all and 1787 01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:04,260 um that's the reason why I was so uh 1788 01:18:09,709 --> 01:18:06,780 happy to be a part of the uh the The 1789 01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,719 Aquatic Cryptid uh show right before we 1790 01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,239 came on so you know an evening of Ron 1791 01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,920 Murphy which I'm very very pleased to be 1792 01:18:17,450 --> 01:18:15,840 with but um yeah I wish we would have 1793 01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,460 gotten more into the idea of lake 1794 01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,679 monsters uh in on all these things 1795 01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:22,320 because that is indeed another world 1796 01:18:29,689 --> 01:18:28,310 right no I agree 1797 01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:29,699 um do you have any more lake monster 1798 01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,880 stories you want to share before we go 1799 01:18:36,590 --> 01:18:34,560 um let me see here I'm trying to think 1800 01:18:38,450 --> 01:18:36,600 of like a really good one 1801 01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:38,460 um besides the water Panther like I said 1802 01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:40,380 that is a lot and there's there's a lot 1803 01:18:43,610 --> 01:18:42,300 of traditions about that 1804 01:18:45,649 --> 01:18:43,620 um you know I wish I could tell you 1805 01:18:47,930 --> 01:18:45,659 about you know I will tell you and I 1806 01:18:50,209 --> 01:18:47,940 shared this on the other on the other uh 1807 01:18:51,890 --> 01:18:50,219 the other broadcast but if you weren't 1808 01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:51,900 listening in I will tell you this so 1809 01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:54,239 1955 there was a young boy from New York 1810 01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,760 who was vacationing on the shores of 1811 01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,280 Lake Michigan in the summertime and like 1812 01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:01,199 all little boys he decided he was going 1813 01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:03,540 to swim in the great lake and as he was 1814 01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:06,000 out there something attacked him and the 1815 01:19:11,689 --> 01:19:08,340 witnesses all claimed that he was 1816 01:19:15,169 --> 01:19:11,699 attacked by a shark in a freshwater lake 1817 01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,179 and that happened in 1955 and if you 1818 01:19:20,209 --> 01:19:17,520 would look at the annals of shark 1819 01:19:22,910 --> 01:19:20,219 attacks which has been keeping um record 1820 01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:22,920 of shark attacks I think since the 1930s 1821 01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:26,159 that is in there as a shark attack so so 1822 01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,900 something attacked this little boy so if 1823 01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:29,520 you wanted something Sensational to kind 1824 01:19:33,709 --> 01:19:31,679 of end the evening with we can say that 1825 01:19:36,410 --> 01:19:33,719 something happened in Lake Michigan in 1826 01:19:38,450 --> 01:19:36,420 1955 that took a little boy to the 1827 01:19:41,570 --> 01:19:38,460 hospital and people think that it was a 1828 01:19:48,050 --> 01:19:45,290 wow that's that's certainly a high note 1829 01:19:49,790 --> 01:19:48,060 to end on oh my goodness thank you so 1830 01:19:51,649 --> 01:19:49,800 much for being here Ron I truly 1831 01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:51,659 appreciate it 1832 01:20:00,350 --> 01:19:58,430 no you know it was a pleasure actually 1833 01:20:03,290 --> 01:20:00,360 for you to ask me I was looking forward 1834 01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,300 uh to coming on here I also give a big 1835 01:20:07,790 --> 01:20:05,520 shout out to Vincent as well too for 1836 01:20:10,189 --> 01:20:07,800 Marvel for doing such a great job in 1837 01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:10,199 moderating this this this thing that you 1838 01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:13,080 call the venomen monster Network and 1839 01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,699 also to all the listeners as well too 1840 01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:17,280 because this would be a very good show 1841 01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,580 and there was nobody listening with it 1842 01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,560 okay 1843 01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:24,960 no we have the best listeners we have 1844 01:20:30,350 --> 01:20:28,260 the best audience in the world I I think 1845 01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:30,360 we do I'll fight anyone who says that we 1846 01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:33,239 don't so that's all I I would too I 1847 01:20:41,330 --> 01:20:36,540 would go do you want to tell every 1848 01:20:46,910 --> 01:20:44,209 sure um you can find me on Facebook you 1849 01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:46,920 can look up uh Ronald Murphy uh you know 1850 01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:49,260 I I will be on there I gladly friend you 1851 01:20:57,070 --> 01:20:52,380 and talk to you uh you can email me at 1852 01:21:00,590 --> 01:20:57,080 Ronald L Murphy Jr Ronald L Murphy Jr 1853 01:21:02,330 --> 01:21:00,600 yahoo.com I would gladly talk to anybody 1854 01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:02,340 you know whatever we want to talk about 1855 01:21:05,630 --> 01:21:04,080 if you agree with me great if you 1856 01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:05,640 disagree that's great too we could have 1857 01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:08,159 a conversation and you could find my 1858 01:21:12,290 --> 01:21:10,800 books at guess what Walmart started to 1859 01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:12,300 carry some of my books which I'm really 1860 01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:14,580 excited about but if your Walmart's not 1861 01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:17,280 carrying it you can go to Amazon and 1862 01:21:22,250 --> 01:21:20,100 find my entire on series there plus 1863 01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:22,260 haunted Westmoreland County plus The 1864 01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:23,760 Unexplained world of the Chestnut Ridge 1865 01:21:30,649 --> 01:21:26,520 and any other work that I have done so 1866 01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:32,689 and when will your new book be coming 1867 01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:35,400 out do you know oh I'm glad you brought 1868 01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,780 that up Bernadette because I'm looking 1869 01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:39,120 for a publisher right now so if 1870 01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:41,460 anybody's out there listening and says I 1871 01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,800 want to pick up Ron Murphy's earthlights 1872 01:21:46,850 --> 01:21:45,360 books because it's going to be an 1873 01:21:51,530 --> 01:21:46,860 awesome thing 1874 01:21:56,570 --> 01:21:54,649 okay all right sounds good thank you so 1875 01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,580 much again Ron I truly appreciate you 1876 01:22:02,090 --> 01:21:58,800 coming on you have a great night it was 1877 01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,530 good night 1878 01:22:08,510 --> 01:22:06,000 all right I want to thank you all for 1879 01:22:10,610 --> 01:22:08,520 sticking around and what a great guest 1880 01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:10,620 Ron was I am so happy he could be here 1881 01:22:14,750 --> 01:22:12,900 and I'm so happy he stuck around so 1882 01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:14,760 happy you all stuck around for the show 1883 01:22:19,010 --> 01:22:16,920 as well and I just want to reiterate 1884 01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:19,020 what Ron said Vincent has done a 1885 01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:20,820 wonderful job with the channel as well 1886 01:22:25,070 --> 01:22:23,400 as the show especially with my show and 1887 01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:25,080 the slight lag we have every now and 1888 01:22:28,189 --> 01:22:26,100 then 1889 01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:28,199 um next week I am going to have Duke 1890 01:22:33,229 --> 01:22:31,380 Sullivan of world Bigfoot radio one and 1891 01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:33,239 we are going to be discussing Bigfoot 1892 01:22:37,550 --> 01:22:35,940 and Giants so I'll see you guys Friday 1893 01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,560 have a good night and have a great